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Interestingly: The NYT link was written 4 hours ago (~6AM EST) - but the decision seems to have been released around ~10AM EST. I suppose everyone expected this
by anonu 4y ago
Interestingly: The NYT link was written 4 hours ago (~6AM EST) - but the decision seems to have been released around ~10AM EST. I suppose everyone expected this post the leak.
Without taking any side on this issue: this is a tough day in America, when a 50-year precedent is overturned.
- josephcsible 4y ago
- anonu 4y agoI don't know enough about Dred Scott. What is the parallel between that case and abortion?
- josephcsible 4y agoThe parallel is that they were both Supreme Court cases that had their rulings overturned years later, and in both, a lot of people liked the original decision and were upset that it no longer stood.
- jquery 4y ago“Both Hitler and Obama were disliked by millions of people” Same energy. This ruling today has more in common with Dred Scott (reduces citizens back down to property because of founder intent or something) than the overturning of it.
- avs733 4y agoIt’s a bad faith argument to undermine precedent.
- sokoloff 4y agoIt's not the undermining of precedent (for its own sake) that matters here. It's the contents of the precedent that are presumably bothersome to the upthread poster. Comparisons to precedents overturned in the name of progress are entirely reasonable to examine whether its the matter of precedents in general or specific contents that are issue.
- avs733 4y agoThat’s the bad faith part. This has nothing to do with precedence and the current Supreme Court will do what it wants and invent new and incoherent forms of logic as needed to do so.
- dmm 4y agoDred Scott v. Sandford was a landmark supreme court case that, among other things, denied people of African descent US citizenship. The Chief Justice Taney believed it would finally end the debate around slavery in the US, instead it inflamed controversy that eventually led to civil war. Perhaps the grandparent was suggesting that was a likely outcome here as well?
- zeroonetwothree 4y agoDred Scott was overturned by constitutional amendment.
- YurgenJurgensen 4y agoI believe that pre-writing articles for both sides of major binary decisions and only releasing the one that turns out to be correct is standard practice at large news organisations, where the value of being first to publish is far higher than the cost of writing two articles.
- kadoban 4y agoEspecially when you have a leaked opinion and already know what it's going to say.
- rg111 4y agoUnrelated: A journalist friend told me that their (very big) media firm started writing obituaries of the public figures as soon as they landed in hospital and were old. There were many (tens) obituaries written for the people who went to live on for more years or are are still living.
- boeingUH60 4y agoSometimes, they publish it by mistake - https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/french-radio-mistakenly-publishes-obituaries-of-queen-elizabeth-pele-issues-apology.html https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/europe/french-radio...
- thatguy0900 4y agoId imagine for important news it would be easy enough to just write two articles and release the correct one, especially if your main concern is being first to publish
- jfk13 4y agoA slightly different situation, but it reminds me of the classic election-day crossword, which was cleverly constructed to support either outcome: http://www.alaricstephen.com/main-featured/2017/7/3/the-clintonbobdole-crossword http://www.alaricstephen.com/main-featured/2017/7/3/the-clin...
- threeseed 4y agoThey could have pre-written this but also the NYT is the world's most well connected news organisation. Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they had found out earlier just like previous decisions have been leaked.