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I'd wager this is an extremely low estimate about the value of that labor. From the paper it seems like they compared with freelance moderators on upwork. I'm
by hideo 4y ago
I'd wager this is an extremely low estimate about the value of that labor. From the paper it seems like they compared with freelance moderators on upwork.
I'm a part of a couple of super niche subreddits where there are moderators with deep expertise in the area. I know that IRL some of these mods are often billing $100s/hour for their work but on reddit they do it free, and they freely dispense the same advice.
- sweezyjeezy 4y agoJust curious - what kind of expertise do these people bill that amount of money for?
- engineer_22 4y agoAny white collar professional in engineering (full spectrum) has billing rates over $100 at entry level.
- sweezyjeezy 4y agoSure, interested to know what deep moderation expertise involves though.
- hideo 4y agoThey are not experts in the process of moderation. They are experts in a field and also mod subs in that field.
- Dylan16807 4y agoSo they're doing labor but not moderation labor, they could do the same thing with an unprivileged account?
- reset-password 4y agoThey are also not experts in their field. Any time I see a topic in my field on Reddit the comments that imply expert knowledge are virtually guaranteed to be factually incorrect. I've never seen any evidence that a Reddit moderator possesses any special knowledge of any topic. Has your experience been different? Maybe I've just never visited the right subreddits.
- rat9988 4y agoHas your experience been different? He is claiming it's different. It's his whole point.
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoA defense contractor recently posted an $80 per hour contract near me for non-entry level EE design work.
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- engineer_22 4y agoIs $80 what the defense contractor is charging their customer? My company charges $110/hr for an entry level engineer to work on your project. EDIT: This is just offering a data point. EDIT EDIT: If we assume a multiple of 2.5 (pretty standard), that $80 becomes $200/hr billed rate.
- effingwewt 4y agoEven trades do it. Electricians, HVAC, and moreso for commercial jobs. The difference is in who is doing the charging. White collar professionals usually pay themselves and thus keep most of the money. When it's a trade the company gets 80/hr with the techs making about 20/hr.In California of course more is charged and more is paid but its still a slap in the face. You are literally the kne doing all but administration/dispatch which is the easy part. As soon as tradesmen with can they usually start working for themselves, hire more people, and perpetuate the parasitic cycle.
- hideo 4y agoWithout getting into too much detail some of these are software/hardware (e.g. niche libraries and tools used in very specific industries) and some are non tech (maintenance for specific types of vehicles, animal care, etc)
- SoftTalker 4y agoIf they are doing it for free, the value of the labor is zero by definition.
- seoaeu 4y agoThat’s like saying that if you donate to a charity, the value of the goods you gave must be zero because it was a donation
- engineer_22 4y agoThat's right. Value and Cost are not the same.
- cuteboy19 4y agoIt's exactly like a donation actually. These people are not forced to be internet janitors, if they don't like it why are they even wasting their time on it. You can't even say that their livelihoods depend on it because they aren't being paid!