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My take: By only allowing WebKit, Apple keeps its walled garden. It simply allows only Apple code in its platform. Apple Apps are build on top of Apple's ecosy

My take: By only allowing WebKit, Apple keeps its walled garden. It simply allows only Apple code in its platform. Apple Apps are build on top of Apple's ecosystem and the same goes for Web Apps: build on top of Apple's WebKit.

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
also crippling the browser so it does it not eat into app store profits.
- cyberpunk 4y ago
  I play nvidia GeForce now through safari. Added to my Home Screen it has no browser chrome, and it supports my Bluetooth controller pad no problem. What is crippled?
  - the_gipsy 4y ago
    Safari iOS, nobody is talking about macos. Edit: my bad. Well, I just want to be able to install another browser on the phone that I payed for.
    - girvo 4y ago
      They are talking about Safari iOS. I stream games from Gamepass semi-regularly (the Backbone One is excellent) on my iPhone 12 Mini
    - cyberpunk 4y ago
      I’m talking about my iPad.
  - makeitdouble 4y ago
    https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/ https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/
  - cowtools 4y ago
    The ability to freely run programs on your own damn hardware! Congratulations, you played a AAA video game on your personal surveillance device by streaming it from someone else's (useful) computer. Very cyberpunk of you! I guess that's why they call this place "hacker" news.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    The two keys things: - There is no persistent offline storage that isn't at risk of getting wiped every 7 days (even for apps added to the home screen). - No push notifications (although these are coming). Which is somewhat frustrating precisely because Safari is otherwise so capable.
    - spullara 4y ago
      Both of those sound like positives for users. Maybe they aren't your customer.
      - makeitdouble 4y ago
        I'd hate to have a note taking PWA which data's get wiped every 7 days. Solutions to this is to sync the data with a server, which then requires an account and user management, privacy considerations, keeping the server alive, backing up data, GDPR fun etc... Any simple applications becomes a maintenance nightmare very quick.
      - nicoburns 4y ago
        They'd only be available with an explicit opt-in, so I don't see how. They'd probably only be available for webapps added to the homescreen too, so websites wouldn't even be able to spam the permissions request.
      - dento 4y ago
        Positives like not having "save" ability on documents? Or not having push notifications so messaging applications, calendars and such is not possible? Both of these can be abused of course, but not having them forces many categories of apps to be native.
      - resoluteteeth 4y ago
        Users don't want notifications from random websites they browse to, but they need them for pwas they install to their home screen which are supposed to have parity with apps
  - 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
    I can't comment on cloud streaming, I guess vendors have ways to workaround browser limitations. As a web dev, i find Safari to be the jankiest. Just opening the dev tools has become problematic recently.
  - ThatPlayer 4y ago
    While there's no browser chrome, it's still not fullscreen like native games can be, without the iOS status bar at the top: https://caniuse.com/fullscreen https://caniuse.com/fullscreen Also their Gamepad API implementation doesn't do rumble: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/GamepadHapticActuator#browser_compatibility https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/GamepadHapt...
- madeofpalk 4y ago
  This doesn't follow when you realise that apple also neglects it's own native platforms that eats into it's "app store profitss"

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago

also crippling the browser so it does it not eat into app store profits.

cyberpunk 4y ago
I play nvidia GeForce now through safari. Added to my Home Screen it has no browser chrome, and it supports my Bluetooth controller pad no problem. What is crippled?
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  Safari iOS, nobody is talking about macos. Edit: my bad. Well, I just want to be able to install another browser on the phone that I payed for.
  - girvo 4y ago
    They are talking about Safari iOS. I stream games from Gamepass semi-regularly (the Backbone One is excellent) on my iPhone 12 Mini
  - cyberpunk 4y ago
    I’m talking about my iPad.
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/ https://firt.dev/notes/pwa-ios/
- cowtools 4y ago
  The ability to freely run programs on your own damn hardware! Congratulations, you played a AAA video game on your personal surveillance device by streaming it from someone else's (useful) computer. Very cyberpunk of you! I guess that's why they call this place "hacker" news.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  The two keys things: - There is no persistent offline storage that isn't at risk of getting wiped every 7 days (even for apps added to the home screen). - No push notifications (although these are coming). Which is somewhat frustrating precisely because Safari is otherwise so capable.
  - spullara 4y ago
    Both of those sound like positives for users. Maybe they aren't your customer.
    - makeitdouble 4y ago
      I'd hate to have a note taking PWA which data's get wiped every 7 days. Solutions to this is to sync the data with a server, which then requires an account and user management, privacy considerations, keeping the server alive, backing up data, GDPR fun etc... Any simple applications becomes a maintenance nightmare very quick.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      They'd only be available with an explicit opt-in, so I don't see how. They'd probably only be available for webapps added to the homescreen too, so websites wouldn't even be able to spam the permissions request.
    - dento 4y ago
      Positives like not having "save" ability on documents? Or not having push notifications so messaging applications, calendars and such is not possible? Both of these can be abused of course, but not having them forces many categories of apps to be native.
    - resoluteteeth 4y ago
      Users don't want notifications from random websites they browse to, but they need them for pwas they install to their home screen which are supposed to have parity with apps
- 5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
  I can't comment on cloud streaming, I guess vendors have ways to workaround browser limitations. As a web dev, i find Safari to be the jankiest. Just opening the dev tools has become problematic recently.
- ThatPlayer 4y ago
  While there's no browser chrome, it's still not fullscreen like native games can be, without the iOS status bar at the top: https://caniuse.com/fullscreen https://caniuse.com/fullscreen Also their Gamepad API implementation doesn't do rumble: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/GamepadHapticActuator#browser_compatibility https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/GamepadHapt...
madeofpalk 4y ago
This doesn't follow when you realise that apple also neglects it's own native platforms that eats into it's "app store profitss"