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We might simply be at peak content. Better content requires better talent. The pool of talent is finite. Perhaps there aren't enough talented writers and produc

by sumy23 4y ago

We might simply be at peak content. Better content requires better talent. The pool of talent is finite. Perhaps there aren't enough talented writers and producers to make better content happen.

bergenty 4y ago
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- pstuart 4y ago
  I don't think everyone feels the same way you do about women.
  - bergenty 4y ago
    I don’t think anyone likes to be force fed content that instantly breaks immersion because it doesn’t mirror reality at all.
    - marssaxman 4y ago
      If that's your perception of reality, perhaps it's good that you're being pushed out of your comfort zone.
      - bergenty 4y ago
        I don’t think it’s a matter of perspective, it’s the bending of objective facts.
        lovich 4y ago
        What “woke” content is bending objective facts? The only one I can think of in the past few years was The Wheel of Time keeping the family trait and bloodlines plot line(including one character recognizing another characters heritage based solely on their looks) while not keeping that casting consistent. The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous in casting which I thought was a clever attention to detail while satisfying politics. Netflix is pretty smack in the middle in that they produce content for the woke crowd, but that’s just by focusing on including diverse characters. They tend to not get into complicated plots that are defeated by casting. Unless my take on that is wrong I can’t see how minorities’ or womens’ existence can be bending any objective facts
        arthurcolle 4y ago
        Wheel of Time is on Amazon Prime Video not Netflix
        lovich 4y ago
        And The Foundation is on Apple TV, I was using the examples to compare Netflix’s offerings compared to what I saw of as the most glaring example of wokeness “bending objective facts” and the best example of including diversity without weakening the story and in fact strengthening it. Netflix’s offerings in comparison are middle of the road and kinda just have the people exist as either main characters are the quirky friend(tall girl for example) but nothing that bent objective facts
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous Well, considering that in the Foundation books there are only humans, their ethnicity it's not an important trait (we can assume they are all white or all black for that matter), while their social class is often outlined and the only real difference is their gender, making it a mixed race show it's a sign of the times. I have no problem with it or the gender swaps. But they had to make it that way because for starters it is certainly more accurate to say that 500 quadrillion people living in countless planets won't look the same, there are 40 billion people on Trantor alone, but it would also been unacceptable for the audience of today to blindly accept the fact that when Asimov wrote the Foundation series he wasn't interested in the skin color of the characters, he was writing of a greater story spanning over a very long period, not about social conflicts over individual identities, which, if you think about it, are a mundane topic in that settlement. But in the end its real fault is being IMO a bad representation of the original material, that totally misses the point.
        pstuart 4y ago
        Looking forward to the new season of Umbrella Academy and it looks like there's going to be a trans element to it, which, drum roll please, actually mirrors reality (as the actor transitioned). Versus all of the absolute non reality zero object facts of the story itself. The "reality" of media of yesteryear was the domain of white men. So yes, reality is changing. There's plenty of rage being generated about this, so I have to imagine your media intake might be influencing you in this regard.
    - JaimeThompson 4y ago
      Strange Things is like their most popular show.
quartesixte 4y ago
There are definitely enough talented writers, it’s just that the Hollywood system is notorious for gatekeeping good writers, and thats if the writer had the perseverance and material support to even finish a spec script. It’s a pool with a lot of constraints on it, many of which are artificial.
- namelessoracle 4y ago
  Netflix started to disrupt Hollywood, but it looks like Hollywood figured out how to manage Netflix. Rumours abound of conflict between the tech branch and content branchs (which is mostly Hollywood types now) of the company.
- sumy23 4y ago
  > There are definitely enough talented writers Based on? There aren't even many good technical writers, which is a lot easier than writing fiction.
  - francisofascii 4y ago
    Based on the extremely low number of available writing jobs.
  - gamblor956 4y ago
    I know a few dozen struggling screenwriters who are trying to get (a) their screenplays produced or (b) contracted to write scripts. Note that these are all female screenwriters with an actual track record in industry (in this case, episodic broadcast TV). It really boils down to a few gatekeepers (mostly old white guys) giving the screenwriting jobs to the same idiots over and over again. For example, the guys who wrote Morbius have never written a successful film that made money back at the box office but already have 1 new screenplay in production and have been contracted to write several more; meanwhile the screenwriter of Crazy Rich Asians (which not only outgrossed Morbius but nearly grossed as much as Morbius' screenwriters' other films combined) has only been hired for a single film (Raya and the Last Dragon) since.
    - 4y ago
hulitu 4y ago
There is enough "better content". Unfirtunately it is not available on Netflix.
dekhn 4y ago
One thing I realized from "Everything Everywhere All At Once" is that although I never heard of the directors before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniels_(directors) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniels_(directors)), and never would have predicted that movie and it content, the moment I started watching it, I realized there was another pair of people to put on the List of People I Trust To Make Good Stuff. For example, I'd like them to go back and make Cat's Cradle, or even better, Sirens of Titan. How many other second-tier directors who could make great films are out there not getting funded?
- sumy23 4y ago
  > How many other second-tier directors who could make great films are out there not getting funded? I don't know, how many? Your example of Daniels is interesting because Daniels were discovered, so it doesn't help me understand how many people are out there that could do a great job but don't have the opportunity. I've consumed a lot of amateur writing, music, and comedy. Most people just suck at creative endeavors. On the other hand, I once saw the most beautiful performance by a girl busking on the street. Fast-forward a few years, and now she's doing world-wide tours constantly and has a great musical career. With YouTube, Twitch, Spotify, and TikTok, it's never been easier for talented young artists, writers, and directors to rise up from obscurity.

by sumy23 4y ago

We might simply be at peak content. Better content requires better talent. The pool of talent is finite. Perhaps there aren't enough talented writers and producers to make better content happen.

bergenty 4y ago

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pstuart 4y ago
I don't think everyone feels the same way you do about women.
- bergenty 4y ago
  I don’t think anyone likes to be force fed content that instantly breaks immersion because it doesn’t mirror reality at all.
  - marssaxman 4y ago
    If that's your perception of reality, perhaps it's good that you're being pushed out of your comfort zone.
    - bergenty 4y ago
      I don’t think it’s a matter of perspective, it’s the bending of objective facts.
      - lovich 4y ago
        What “woke” content is bending objective facts? The only one I can think of in the past few years was The Wheel of Time keeping the family trait and bloodlines plot line(including one character recognizing another characters heritage based solely on their looks) while not keeping that casting consistent. The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous in casting which I thought was a clever attention to detail while satisfying politics. Netflix is pretty smack in the middle in that they produce content for the woke crowd, but that’s just by focusing on including diverse characters. They tend to not get into complicated plots that are defeated by casting. Unless my take on that is wrong I can’t see how minorities’ or womens’ existence can be bending any objective facts
        arthurcolle 4y ago
        Wheel of Time is on Amazon Prime Video not Netflix
        lovich 4y ago
        And The Foundation is on Apple TV, I was using the examples to compare Netflix’s offerings compared to what I saw of as the most glaring example of wokeness “bending objective facts” and the best example of including diversity without weakening the story and in fact strengthening it. Netflix’s offerings in comparison are middle of the road and kinda just have the people exist as either main characters are the quirky friend(tall girl for example) but nothing that bent objective facts
        peoplefromibiza 4y ago
        > The other end is shows like Foundation which might look like a woke cast at first but if you pay close attention you’ll realize that the galaxy spanning Empire has the diverse population due to being diverse while all the smaller planetary kingdoms are ethnically homogenous Well, considering that in the Foundation books there are only humans, their ethnicity it's not an important trait (we can assume they are all white or all black for that matter), while their social class is often outlined and the only real difference is their gender, making it a mixed race show it's a sign of the times. I have no problem with it or the gender swaps. But they had to make it that way because for starters it is certainly more accurate to say that 500 quadrillion people living in countless planets won't look the same, there are 40 billion people on Trantor alone, but it would also been unacceptable for the audience of today to blindly accept the fact that when Asimov wrote the Foundation series he wasn't interested in the skin color of the characters, he was writing of a greater story spanning over a very long period, not about social conflicts over individual identities, which, if you think about it, are a mundane topic in that settlement. But in the end its real fault is being IMO a bad representation of the original material, that totally misses the point.
      - pstuart 4y ago
        Looking forward to the new season of Umbrella Academy and it looks like there's going to be a trans element to it, which, drum roll please, actually mirrors reality (as the actor transitioned). Versus all of the absolute non reality zero object facts of the story itself. The "reality" of media of yesteryear was the domain of white men. So yes, reality is changing. There's plenty of rage being generated about this, so I have to imagine your media intake might be influencing you in this regard.
  - JaimeThompson 4y ago
    Strange Things is like their most popular show.

quartesixte 4y ago

There are definitely enough talented writers, it’s just that the Hollywood system is notorious for gatekeeping good writers, and thats if the writer had the perseverance and material support to even finish a spec script. It’s a pool with a lot of constraints on it, many of which are artificial.

namelessoracle 4y ago
Netflix started to disrupt Hollywood, but it looks like Hollywood figured out how to manage Netflix. Rumours abound of conflict between the tech branch and content branchs (which is mostly Hollywood types now) of the company.
sumy23 4y ago
> There are definitely enough talented writers Based on? There aren't even many good technical writers, which is a lot easier than writing fiction.
- francisofascii 4y ago
  Based on the extremely low number of available writing jobs.
- gamblor956 4y ago
  I know a few dozen struggling screenwriters who are trying to get (a) their screenplays produced or (b) contracted to write scripts. Note that these are all female screenwriters with an actual track record in industry (in this case, episodic broadcast TV). It really boils down to a few gatekeepers (mostly old white guys) giving the screenwriting jobs to the same idiots over and over again. For example, the guys who wrote Morbius have never written a successful film that made money back at the box office but already have 1 new screenplay in production and have been contracted to write several more; meanwhile the screenwriter of Crazy Rich Asians (which not only outgrossed Morbius but nearly grossed as much as Morbius' screenwriters' other films combined) has only been hired for a single film (Raya and the Last Dragon) since.
  - 4y ago

hulitu 4y ago

There is enough "better content". Unfirtunately it is not available on Netflix.

dekhn 4y ago

One thing I realized from "Everything Everywhere All At Once" is that although I never heard of the directors before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniels_(directors) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniels_(directors)), and never would have predicted that movie and it content, the moment I started watching it, I realized there was another pair of people to put on the List of People I Trust To Make Good Stuff. For example, I'd like them to go back and make Cat's Cradle, or even better, Sirens of Titan. How many other second-tier directors who could make great films are out there not getting funded?

sumy23 4y ago
> How many other second-tier directors who could make great films are out there not getting funded? I don't know, how many? Your example of Daniels is interesting because Daniels were discovered, so it doesn't help me understand how many people are out there that could do a great job but don't have the opportunity. I've consumed a lot of amateur writing, music, and comedy. Most people just suck at creative endeavors. On the other hand, I once saw the most beautiful performance by a girl busking on the street. Fast-forward a few years, and now she's doing world-wide tours constantly and has a great musical career. With YouTube, Twitch, Spotify, and TikTok, it's never been easier for talented young artists, writers, and directors to rise up from obscurity.