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I would guess there are people who do cocaine every day without trouble. That doesn't mean everyone should do drugs. Most people can't handle it.

by wooque 4y ago

spywaregorilla 4y ago
Most people can handle it. But that still doesn't mean everyone should do drugs.
- coding123 4y ago
  You're saying that if everyone in the world started to take cocaine daily, a high percentage of people, say 80-90% can handle it.
  - jazzyjackson 4y ago
    the poison is in the dose
  - spywaregorilla 4y ago
    What does handling it mean if you're taking cocaine daily? Taking drugs daily is already likely beyond the point of dependence. Regardless of will power, you will almost certainly develop some level of chemical addiction and tolerance trying to use cocaine, recreational-y, daily. I would say the question is invalid. I meant most people can do cocaine once, or at an infrequent irregular frequency without getting addicted to it and becoming dependent. FWIW most means > 50%
    - the_gipsy 4y ago
      This is debatable. If there is a critical mass of people doing cocaine regularly, then more people will get addicted with that availability.
  - samatman 4y ago
    Higher than that I would guess. Bolivians seem to handle it at a rate of "all of them". Of course they're using quids, if they were injectors of pure cocaine the situation would be less rosy. But you didn't specify the route and concentration. This isn't a gotcha, it's a habit of daily use by millions, all of whom are basically fine.
  - diffeomorphism 4y ago
    Wrong way around. If everyone in the world consumes something and side effects are very rare and usually mild, then you have to argue what the problem is. For cocaine and most "hard drugs" probably neither is true. For coffee it seems both are true. For alcohol 1 is true and 2 is tricky.
aparticulate 4y ago
cocaine is not weed though most people cannot do cocaine every day without trouble. Coffee? every day is fine different drugs have different danger
- com2kid 4y ago
  > Coffee? every day is fine /r/nootropics, common thread is as follows: OP: "Help, I have bad anxiety every day, what should I take for it?" re: "Do you drink coffee?" OP: "Yes, about 4 cups a day." re: "Stop drinking coffee and come back in a week and tell us how you are doing." 1 week later. OP: "My anxiety is gone!!" Caffeine has negative side effects. For some people those side effects are really bad. Also caffeine messes up sleep cycles. After seeing sleep study results, I won't touch the stuff after 10am or so, if even that late. Alcohol is even worse in this regard, it will just ruin your sleep cycles at night. Edit: Let me emphasis this for anyone reading: YOU WILL NOT GET DEEP SLEEP IF YOU HAVE A NIGHTCAP. Yes, you will get drowsy, drink enough and you will pass out. The restorative quality of the sleep you get that night will NOT be good. I've seen first hand the sleep study results from this. The effect is so obvious that even the questionable sleep quality results that wrist based wearables give you can easily and consistently show this effect.
  - dfxm12 4y ago
    Does caffeine have negative side effects, or does caffeine, taken in excess, including in late hours of the day, have negative side effects? It's an important distinction to make in this discussion, which largely boils down to "off label use", whether we're talking about drinking simply too much coffee or people with developing brains getting too much thc.
    - mtnGoat 4y ago
      this is rhetorical right?
    - com2kid 4y ago
      > Does caffeine have negative side effects, Caffeine has negative side effects. It is an addictive psychoactive drug. Its effects are mild, but, to repeat, it is an addictive psychoactive drug. Even moderate use can cause sever anxiety in some people. L-theanine is a great counter to this. Green tea naturally has L-theanine in it and that is likely why people who drink green tea do not report anxiety (at least in significant numbers) while coffee drinkers do. FWIW Matcha has even more L-theanine that green tea.
mtnGoat 4y ago
You dont have to guess, i can assure you these people exist. I know a few. In fact some of the biggest names in tech and other industries are definately using drugs, its very possible to be a high achiever and be on drugs. in fact, it seems to be, that we really don't even call it addiction until it ruins your live, otherwise its just called "recreational". strange to me.
TaylorAlexander 4y ago
Well I certainly wouldn’t take the position that everyone should do drugs! I guess I’m just pushing back against the idea that marijuana use automatically means your life will be worse. I think this depends on your personality, use habits, and level of self control.

I would guess there are people who do cocaine every day without trouble. That doesn't mean everyone should do drugs. Most people can't handle it.

by wooque 4y ago

I would guess there are people who do cocaine every day without trouble. That doesn't mean everyone should do drugs. Most people can't handle it.

spywaregorilla 4y ago

Most people can handle it. But that still doesn't mean everyone should do drugs.

coding123 4y ago
You're saying that if everyone in the world started to take cocaine daily, a high percentage of people, say 80-90% can handle it.
- jazzyjackson 4y ago
  the poison is in the dose
- spywaregorilla 4y ago
  What does handling it mean if you're taking cocaine daily? Taking drugs daily is already likely beyond the point of dependence. Regardless of will power, you will almost certainly develop some level of chemical addiction and tolerance trying to use cocaine, recreational-y, daily. I would say the question is invalid. I meant most people can do cocaine once, or at an infrequent irregular frequency without getting addicted to it and becoming dependent. FWIW most means > 50%
  - the_gipsy 4y ago
    This is debatable. If there is a critical mass of people doing cocaine regularly, then more people will get addicted with that availability.
- samatman 4y ago
  Higher than that I would guess. Bolivians seem to handle it at a rate of "all of them". Of course they're using quids, if they were injectors of pure cocaine the situation would be less rosy. But you didn't specify the route and concentration. This isn't a gotcha, it's a habit of daily use by millions, all of whom are basically fine.
- diffeomorphism 4y ago
  Wrong way around. If everyone in the world consumes something and side effects are very rare and usually mild, then you have to argue what the problem is. For cocaine and most "hard drugs" probably neither is true. For coffee it seems both are true. For alcohol 1 is true and 2 is tricky.

aparticulate 4y ago

cocaine is not weed though most people cannot do cocaine every day without trouble. Coffee? every day is fine different drugs have different danger

com2kid 4y ago
> Coffee? every day is fine /r/nootropics, common thread is as follows: OP: "Help, I have bad anxiety every day, what should I take for it?" re: "Do you drink coffee?" OP: "Yes, about 4 cups a day." re: "Stop drinking coffee and come back in a week and tell us how you are doing." 1 week later. OP: "My anxiety is gone!!" Caffeine has negative side effects. For some people those side effects are really bad. Also caffeine messes up sleep cycles. After seeing sleep study results, I won't touch the stuff after 10am or so, if even that late. Alcohol is even worse in this regard, it will just ruin your sleep cycles at night. Edit: Let me emphasis this for anyone reading: YOU WILL NOT GET DEEP SLEEP IF YOU HAVE A NIGHTCAP. Yes, you will get drowsy, drink enough and you will pass out. The restorative quality of the sleep you get that night will NOT be good. I've seen first hand the sleep study results from this. The effect is so obvious that even the questionable sleep quality results that wrist based wearables give you can easily and consistently show this effect.
- dfxm12 4y ago
  Does caffeine have negative side effects, or does caffeine, taken in excess, including in late hours of the day, have negative side effects? It's an important distinction to make in this discussion, which largely boils down to "off label use", whether we're talking about drinking simply too much coffee or people with developing brains getting too much thc.
  - mtnGoat 4y ago
    this is rhetorical right?
  - com2kid 4y ago
    > Does caffeine have negative side effects, Caffeine has negative side effects. It is an addictive psychoactive drug. Its effects are mild, but, to repeat, it is an addictive psychoactive drug. Even moderate use can cause sever anxiety in some people. L-theanine is a great counter to this. Green tea naturally has L-theanine in it and that is likely why people who drink green tea do not report anxiety (at least in significant numbers) while coffee drinkers do. FWIW Matcha has even more L-theanine that green tea.

mtnGoat 4y ago

You dont have to guess, i can assure you these people exist. I know a few. In fact some of the biggest names in tech and other industries are definately using drugs, its very possible to be a high achiever and be on drugs. in fact, it seems to be, that we really don't even call it addiction until it ruins your live, otherwise its just called "recreational". strange to me.

TaylorAlexander 4y ago

Well I certainly wouldn’t take the position that everyone should do drugs! I guess I’m just pushing back against the idea that marijuana use automatically means your life will be worse. I think this depends on your personality, use habits, and level of self control.