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> you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. Correct, it's DHS. https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/133274617257067725

> you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. Correct, it's DHS. https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/1332746172570677250?lang=en https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/133274617257067725...

bpodgursky 4y ago
You know people online can just say things, right?
- waffleiron 4y ago
  I don’t think it’s that far fetched that DHS shows up to someone who is opposed to the US government and is a self identifying communist. The same DHS who bans immigrants that are or have been members of a communist party [1]. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-manual-updates/20201002-PartyMembership.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-ma...
- ginjas 4y ago
  - bpodgursky 4y ago
    - gre 4y ago
      The United States has over 750 military bases in 80 countries. Which state is the militaristic state?
      - deleted 4y ago
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    - ginjas 4y ago
      >I reject the false equivalence of the DHS and FSB. Not gonna both-sides this, sorry. lmao mkay. Not identical, but very similar. It's not even 'Alex Jones'-tier to say this. I think you forget you are if you are under US or (even NATO). YOU WILL hear propaganda from your side, as the Russians do. It's NORMAL. We live under control of a hegemon with self-interests. May I have to remind you of these? And tell me the difference between these and Russian spookery: >Assange was being hunted down by the US worldwide (https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a-us-military-video-depicting-the-slaying-of-over-a-dozen-people-in-iraq/ https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a...) >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM I could go on, but the point was made already. Edit: So yes, it's actually 'both sides'
      - bpodgursky 4y ago
        Yeah, you could go on, but you get paid per post, not per word.
        ginjas 4y ago
        Unmasked as a shill for saying that great powers engage in propaganda, false flagging and dissent crushing. I have no skin in the game. War, no war, it doesn't matter to me the outcome of this war to be honest. EDIT: But if you are all moral highground, answer me this: Why did the US goad Ukraine into taking a hostile stance against a neighbouring (and somewhat rival) great power? Whas this to the interest of Ukranians? Or to the geopolitical interests of US? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg
        bpodgursky 4y ago
        I don't accept that you can make this case: "Why did you, W, goad X into expressing their sovereignty against Y? Didn't you know that Y would react with violence? That makes W the bad guy" No, Y is always on the wrong side; you can't use the threat of violence and then claim via realpolitik that the other side was in the wrong. "Moral high ground" means you act out of principle, not political convenience. In this case, Ukraine didn't want to be in the Russian sphere, so we supported them. And now yeah, the US is paying a lot of money and inconvenience to support Ukraine. Gas will be more expensive, we're spending tens of billions on weapons. But that's because it's the right thing to do; not every decision is a realpolitik game about maximizing revenue from vassal states (which I hope Russia will learn someday).
    - mjhay 4y ago
      Not everyone who questions US foreign policy is a paid Russian agent.
      - bpodgursky 4y ago
nosianu 4y ago
You can twist it however you like, and select individual sentences and ignore the context and everything else I wrote. At this point (again, may get worse, it does not look good IMO) Russia is at least an order of magnitude worse. You have individual cases - maybe - in the US, but in Russia it's systemic and systematic and goes all the way to murder not just of the person but of the entire family - as we saw in March, when two oligarchs and their entire family were murdered, one in Russia, one in Spain (summary of oligarch deaths: https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-oligarchs-mysteriously-died-in-2022-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-ol...). On top of that various murders of "traitors" e.g. in UK and in Germany. Trump got close in rhetoric to what Putin said on Russian TV in March but did not have a chance to implement it, and the US institutions still resist and don't (yet?) follow a dictator blindly, as they do in Russia.

bpodgursky 4y ago

You know people online can just say things, right?

waffleiron 4y ago
I don’t think it’s that far fetched that DHS shows up to someone who is opposed to the US government and is a self identifying communist. The same DHS who bans immigrants that are or have been members of a communist party [1]. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-manual-updates/20201002-PartyMembership.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-ma...
ginjas 4y ago
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  - gre 4y ago
    The United States has over 750 military bases in 80 countries. Which state is the militaristic state?
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
  - ginjas 4y ago
    >I reject the false equivalence of the DHS and FSB. Not gonna both-sides this, sorry. lmao mkay. Not identical, but very similar. It's not even 'Alex Jones'-tier to say this. I think you forget you are if you are under US or (even NATO). YOU WILL hear propaganda from your side, as the Russians do. It's NORMAL. We live under control of a hegemon with self-interests. May I have to remind you of these? And tell me the difference between these and Russian spookery: >Assange was being hunted down by the US worldwide (https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a-us-military-video-depicting-the-slaying-of-over-a-dozen-people-in-iraq/ https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a...) >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM I could go on, but the point was made already. Edit: So yes, it's actually 'both sides'
    - bpodgursky 4y ago
      Yeah, you could go on, but you get paid per post, not per word.
      - ginjas 4y ago
        Unmasked as a shill for saying that great powers engage in propaganda, false flagging and dissent crushing. I have no skin in the game. War, no war, it doesn't matter to me the outcome of this war to be honest. EDIT: But if you are all moral highground, answer me this: Why did the US goad Ukraine into taking a hostile stance against a neighbouring (and somewhat rival) great power? Whas this to the interest of Ukranians? Or to the geopolitical interests of US? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg
        bpodgursky 4y ago
        I don't accept that you can make this case: "Why did you, W, goad X into expressing their sovereignty against Y? Didn't you know that Y would react with violence? That makes W the bad guy" No, Y is always on the wrong side; you can't use the threat of violence and then claim via realpolitik that the other side was in the wrong. "Moral high ground" means you act out of principle, not political convenience. In this case, Ukraine didn't want to be in the Russian sphere, so we supported them. And now yeah, the US is paying a lot of money and inconvenience to support Ukraine. Gas will be more expensive, we're spending tens of billions on weapons. But that's because it's the right thing to do; not every decision is a realpolitik game about maximizing revenue from vassal states (which I hope Russia will learn someday).
  - mjhay 4y ago
    Not everyone who questions US foreign policy is a paid Russian agent.
    - bpodgursky 4y ago

nosianu 4y ago

You can twist it however you like, and select individual sentences and ignore the context and everything else I wrote. At this point (again, may get worse, it does not look good IMO) Russia is at least an order of magnitude worse. You have individual cases - maybe - in the US, but in Russia it's systemic and systematic and goes all the way to murder not just of the person but of the entire family - as we saw in March, when two oligarchs and their entire family were murdered, one in Russia, one in Spain (summary of oligarch deaths: https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-oligarchs-mysteriously-died-in-2022-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-ol...). On top of that various murders of "traitors" e.g. in UK and in Germany. Trump got close in rhetoric to what Putin said on Russian TV in March but did not have a chance to implement it, and the US institutions still resist and don't (yet?) follow a dictator blindly, as they do in Russia.