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I doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: "Putin's agents reportedly threatened a top Google executive in Moscow with a 24-hour ultima

I doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: "Putin's agents reportedly threatened a top Google executive in Moscow with a 24-hour ultimatum – Take down Russia protest vote app or go to prison" -- https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-google-exec-to-remove-voting-app-moscow-2022-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-goo... Not yet at least, the political climate may deteriorate to that point, especially when it's about elections, given recent revelations. Still, at least right now it looks to me - and I have visited Russia and Ukraine several times in the past and still have indirect connections (to people heavily involved in business there) - that there still is considerable more freedom from the government and its wishes for people and companies in the West. If you publicly criticize a US politician you may get some hate messages, but at least they are from private citizens and you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. In Germany some rogue police were found to send threatening messages, but as soon as it was discovered the government acted against it. Also in Germany there even were public rallies from pro-Russian folks, now try that in Moscow with pro-Ukraine banners... Russia even bans the colors yellow and blue, even when they have nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine and are just decorative: "Russians Strip Yellow and Blue From the Nation’s Streets Over Ukraine War" -- https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians-strip-yellow-and-blue-from-the-nations-streets-over-ukraine-war-a77494 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians...

waffleiron 4y ago
> you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. Correct, it's DHS. https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/1332746172570677250?lang=en https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/133274617257067725...
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  You know people online can just say things, right?
  - waffleiron 4y ago
    I don’t think it’s that far fetched that DHS shows up to someone who is opposed to the US government and is a self identifying communist. The same DHS who bans immigrants that are or have been members of a communist party [1]. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-manual-updates/20201002-PartyMembership.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-ma...
  - ginjas 4y ago
    - bpodgursky 4y ago
      - gre 4y ago
        The United States has over 750 military bases in 80 countries. Which state is the militaristic state?
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      - ginjas 4y ago
        >I reject the false equivalence of the DHS and FSB. Not gonna both-sides this, sorry. lmao mkay. Not identical, but very similar. It's not even 'Alex Jones'-tier to say this. I think you forget you are if you are under US or (even NATO). YOU WILL hear propaganda from your side, as the Russians do. It's NORMAL. We live under control of a hegemon with self-interests. May I have to remind you of these? And tell me the difference between these and Russian spookery: >Assange was being hunted down by the US worldwide (https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a-us-military-video-depicting-the-slaying-of-over-a-dozen-people-in-iraq/ https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a...) >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM I could go on, but the point was made already. Edit: So yes, it's actually 'both sides'
- nosianu 4y ago
  You can twist it however you like, and select individual sentences and ignore the context and everything else I wrote. At this point (again, may get worse, it does not look good IMO) Russia is at least an order of magnitude worse. You have individual cases - maybe - in the US, but in Russia it's systemic and systematic and goes all the way to murder not just of the person but of the entire family - as we saw in March, when two oligarchs and their entire family were murdered, one in Russia, one in Spain (summary of oligarch deaths: https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-oligarchs-mysteriously-died-in-2022-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-ol...). On top of that various murders of "traitors" e.g. in UK and in Germany. Trump got close in rhetoric to what Putin said on Russian TV in March but did not have a chance to implement it, and the US institutions still resist and don't (yet?) follow a dictator blindly, as they do in Russia.
roenxi 4y ago
> I doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: It seems plausible; we don't know what gets done under the FISA court but it would presumably involve companies like Google. Some suited agent of the US government turning up at Google HQ and threatening jail time under some FISA warrant if some pro-Trump something doesn't disappear off Google. That'd be a scandal but not the worst abuse of the secret court system. It hasn't exactly covered itself with glory since inception. They already spy on basically everyone and that is a lot worse than some light censorship.
capdeck 4y ago
> Take down Russia protest vote app or go to prison What about Canadian truckers? Didn't Trudeau call them terrorists, took their trucks, donations, bank accounts and driver licenses... There is no right to protest anywhere, don't kid yourself.
- marshray 4y ago
  The Canadian truck protesters were allowed to shut down the center of the city, blast their horns 24 hours a day, and shut down a major international trade route. They were permitted to do this for weeks before the citizens got sick of it and demanded action from their government. They gave protest a bad name. Your conclusion that "There is no right to protest anywhere" is simply ridiculous.
  - ginjas 4y ago
    >Your conclusion that "There is no right to protest anywhere" is simply ridiculous. BLM rioters did this, and more. Violence + Property damage + Corporate Backing + gov backing. They didn't had their donation money seized,and almost no resistance to establish order.
    - marshray 4y ago
      Yes, the BLM protests are more examples of the right to protest being alive and well.

waffleiron 4y ago

> you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. Correct, it's DHS. https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/1332746172570677250?lang=en https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/133274617257067725...

bpodgursky 4y ago
You know people online can just say things, right?
- waffleiron 4y ago
  I don’t think it’s that far fetched that DHS shows up to someone who is opposed to the US government and is a self identifying communist. The same DHS who bans immigrants that are or have been members of a communist party [1]. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-manual-updates/20201002-PartyMembership.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-ma...
- ginjas 4y ago
  - bpodgursky 4y ago
    - gre 4y ago
      The United States has over 750 military bases in 80 countries. Which state is the militaristic state?
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
    - ginjas 4y ago
      >I reject the false equivalence of the DHS and FSB. Not gonna both-sides this, sorry. lmao mkay. Not identical, but very similar. It's not even 'Alex Jones'-tier to say this. I think you forget you are if you are under US or (even NATO). YOU WILL hear propaganda from your side, as the Russians do. It's NORMAL. We live under control of a hegemon with self-interests. May I have to remind you of these? And tell me the difference between these and Russian spookery: >Assange was being hunted down by the US worldwide (https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a-us-military-video-depicting-the-slaying-of-over-a-dozen-people-in-iraq/ https://diem25.org/exactly-10-years-ago-wikileaks-released-a...) >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM I could go on, but the point was made already. Edit: So yes, it's actually 'both sides'
nosianu 4y ago
You can twist it however you like, and select individual sentences and ignore the context and everything else I wrote. At this point (again, may get worse, it does not look good IMO) Russia is at least an order of magnitude worse. You have individual cases - maybe - in the US, but in Russia it's systemic and systematic and goes all the way to murder not just of the person but of the entire family - as we saw in March, when two oligarchs and their entire family were murdered, one in Russia, one in Spain (summary of oligarch deaths: https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-oligarchs-mysteriously-died-in-2022-2022-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/these-are-all-the-russian-ol...). On top of that various murders of "traitors" e.g. in UK and in Germany. Trump got close in rhetoric to what Putin said on Russian TV in March but did not have a chance to implement it, and the US institutions still resist and don't (yet?) follow a dictator blindly, as they do in Russia.

roenxi 4y ago

> I doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: It seems plausible; we don't know what gets done under the FISA court but it would presumably involve companies like Google. Some suited agent of the US government turning up at Google HQ and threatening jail time under some FISA warrant if some pro-Trump something doesn't disappear off Google. That'd be a scandal but not the worst abuse of the secret court system. It hasn't exactly covered itself with glory since inception. They already spy on basically everyone and that is a lot worse than some light censorship.

capdeck 4y ago

> Take down Russia protest vote app or go to prison What about Canadian truckers? Didn't Trudeau call them terrorists, took their trucks, donations, bank accounts and driver licenses... There is no right to protest anywhere, don't kid yourself.

marshray 4y ago
The Canadian truck protesters were allowed to shut down the center of the city, blast their horns 24 hours a day, and shut down a major international trade route. They were permitted to do this for weeks before the citizens got sick of it and demanded action from their government. They gave protest a bad name. Your conclusion that "There is no right to protest anywhere" is simply ridiculous.
- ginjas 4y ago
  >Your conclusion that "There is no right to protest anywhere" is simply ridiculous. BLM rioters did this, and more. Violence + Property damage + Corporate Backing + gov backing. They didn't had their donation money seized,and almost no resistance to establish order.
  - marshray 4y ago
    Yes, the BLM protests are more examples of the right to protest being alive and well.