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Literally what google doing in favor of USA.

relaunched 4y ago
Huge difference. Google does it for money. Yandex does it to enable an autocracy and to maintain their ability to operate.
- honkler 4y ago
  and how do you know google does not do it to maintain their ability to operate? That's the whole point of deep state, no?
  - turdit 4y ago
nosianu 4y ago
I doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: "Putin's agents reportedly threatened a top Google executive in Moscow with a 24-hour ultimatum – Take down Russia protest vote app or go to prison" -- https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-google-exec-to-remove-voting-app-moscow-2022-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-goo... Not yet at least, the political climate may deteriorate to that point, especially when it's about elections, given recent revelations. Still, at least right now it looks to me - and I have visited Russia and Ukraine several times in the past and still have indirect connections (to people heavily involved in business there) - that there still is considerable more freedom from the government and its wishes for people and companies in the West. If you publicly criticize a US politician you may get some hate messages, but at least they are from private citizens and you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. In Germany some rogue police were found to send threatening messages, but as soon as it was discovered the government acted against it. Also in Germany there even were public rallies from pro-Russian folks, now try that in Moscow with pro-Ukraine banners... Russia even bans the colors yellow and blue, even when they have nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine and are just decorative: "Russians Strip Yellow and Blue From the Nation’s Streets Over Ukraine War" -- https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians-strip-yellow-and-blue-from-the-nations-streets-over-ukraine-war-a77494 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians...
- waffleiron 4y ago
  > you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. Correct, it's DHS. https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/1332746172570677250?lang=en https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/133274617257067725...
  - bpodgursky 4y ago
    You know people online can just say things, right?
    - waffleiron 4y ago
      I don’t think it’s that far fetched that DHS shows up to someone who is opposed to the US government and is a self identifying communist. The same DHS who bans immigrants that are or have been members of a communist party [1]. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-manual-updates/20201002-PartyMembership.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-ma...
    - ginjas 4y ago
      - bpodgursky 4y ago
        gre 4y ago
        The United States has over 750 military bases in 80 countries. Which state is the militaristic state?
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        ginjas 4y ago
colordrops 4y ago
You're going to get downvoted, but Eric Schmidt worked regularly with the state department, and google employees were involved in spurring the color revolutions. Julian Assange detailed this in a newsweek article before his name and body were smeared into the ground: https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279447?amp=1 https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-27... Oh, but they say he's not trustworthy, or that it's a conspiracy theory that he was intentionally smeared. Well, the CIA and their contractors have been doing it for over a decade, even before he was unfairly accused of helping trump: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/the-ridiculous-plan-to-attack-wikileaks/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/the-ridiculous-p... Google is an arm of the state department, no doubt.
- azinman2 4y ago
  I think you ran out of tinfoil this one is so large.
  - colordrops 4y ago
    Always the response is to smear with the same thoughtless label when no valid criticism is put forward. There is a link to an actual proposal by a CIA contractor, no tinfoil necessary.
  - spaniard89277 4y ago
    Yeah first thing we hear of US gov using tech companies for spionage and data mining. So much tinfoil yadda yadda
d23 4y ago
I would assume this could go unsaid, but apparently it needs to be said somewhere in this thread: there is zero comparison between the US and an autocratic dictator who attempts to kill and then jails his opposition, runs fraudulent elections, kills journalists, and invades sovereign countries. Zero. None. Zero. Zero. Get it? None. Zero.
- ginjas 4y ago
  I mean, if your only criteria is the intensity of the quality, then kinda. But... : (persecuted journalist) >https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61839256 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61839256 >https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/07/usa-must-not-persecute-whistleblower-edward-snowden/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/07/usa-must-not-... (jails its opposition) >https://eu.usatoday.com/storytelling/capitol-riot-mob-arrests/ https://eu.usatoday.com/storytelling/capitol-riot-mob-arrest... >"hatespeech" (newspeak) >fraudulent elections: funny how the concerns that 'half' of the US had with elections were dismissed. Especially when conditions were different, by using a method usually agreed (until now, cuz narrative) prone to tampering. So much for free and fair elections. So _Zero_ huh?
  - CRConrad 4y ago
    > So _Zero_ huh? Zero comparison. Sure, there's probably a non-zero amount of germs in the pasteurised homogenised and sterilly-packaged milk I buy at the supermarket. So is drinking that equivalent to sucking the pus out of a punctured boil on the arse of a diseased cow? No. There's zero comparison. None. Zero. Learn to read, man. If nothing else, it'll make you a better propaganda troll for your Kremlin master.

Huge difference. Google does it for money. Yandex does it to enable an autocracy and to maintain their ability to operate.

honkler 4y ago
and how do you know google does not do it to maintain their ability to operate? That's the whole point of deep state, no?
- turdit 4y ago

nosianu 4y ago

I doubt that anything like this happend to Google execs in the US: "Putin's agents reportedly threatened a top Google executive in Moscow with a 24-hour ultimatum – Take down Russia protest vote app or go to prison" -- https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-google-exec-to-remove-voting-app-moscow-2022-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-agents-threatened-goo... Not yet at least, the political climate may deteriorate to that point, especially when it's about elections, given recent revelations. Still, at least right now it looks to me - and I have visited Russia and Ukraine several times in the past and still have indirect connections (to people heavily involved in business there) - that there still is considerable more freedom from the government and its wishes for people and companies in the West. If you publicly criticize a US politician you may get some hate messages, but at least they are from private citizens and you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. In Germany some rogue police were found to send threatening messages, but as soon as it was discovered the government acted against it. Also in Germany there even were public rallies from pro-Russian folks, now try that in Moscow with pro-Ukraine banners... Russia even bans the colors yellow and blue, even when they have nothing whatsoever to do with Ukraine and are just decorative: "Russians Strip Yellow and Blue From the Nation’s Streets Over Ukraine War" -- https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians-strip-yellow-and-blue-from-the-nations-streets-over-ukraine-war-a77494 https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/04/27/in-photos-russians...

waffleiron 4y ago
> you don't have FBI agents knocking on your door threatening you with prison. Correct, it's DHS. https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/1332746172570677250?lang=en https://twitter.com/_secondthought/status/133274617257067725...
- bpodgursky 4y ago
  You know people online can just say things, right?
  - waffleiron 4y ago
    I don’t think it’s that far fetched that DHS shows up to someone who is opposed to the US government and is a self identifying communist. The same DHS who bans immigrants that are or have been members of a communist party [1]. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-manual-updates/20201002-PartyMembership.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/policy-ma...
  - ginjas 4y ago
    - bpodgursky 4y ago
      - gre 4y ago
        The United States has over 750 military bases in 80 countries. Which state is the militaristic state?
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
      - ginjas 4y ago

colordrops 4y ago

You're going to get downvoted, but Eric Schmidt worked regularly with the state department, and google employees were involved in spurring the color revolutions. Julian Assange detailed this in a newsweek article before his name and body were smeared into the ground: https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-279447?amp=1 https://www.newsweek.com/assange-google-not-what-it-seems-27... Oh, but they say he's not trustworthy, or that it's a conspiracy theory that he was intentionally smeared. Well, the CIA and their contractors have been doing it for over a decade, even before he was unfairly accused of helping trump: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/the-ridiculous-plan-to-attack-wikileaks/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/the-ridiculous-p... Google is an arm of the state department, no doubt.

azinman2 4y ago
I think you ran out of tinfoil this one is so large.
- colordrops 4y ago
  Always the response is to smear with the same thoughtless label when no valid criticism is put forward. There is a link to an actual proposal by a CIA contractor, no tinfoil necessary.
- spaniard89277 4y ago
  Yeah first thing we hear of US gov using tech companies for spionage and data mining. So much tinfoil yadda yadda

d23 4y ago

I would assume this could go unsaid, but apparently it needs to be said somewhere in this thread: there is zero comparison between the US and an autocratic dictator who attempts to kill and then jails his opposition, runs fraudulent elections, kills journalists, and invades sovereign countries. Zero. None. Zero. Zero. Get it? None. Zero.

ginjas 4y ago
I mean, if your only criteria is the intensity of the quality, then kinda. But... : (persecuted journalist) >https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61839256 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61839256 >https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/07/usa-must-not-persecute-whistleblower-edward-snowden/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2013/07/usa-must-not-... (jails its opposition) >https://eu.usatoday.com/storytelling/capitol-riot-mob-arrests/ https://eu.usatoday.com/storytelling/capitol-riot-mob-arrest... >"hatespeech" (newspeak) >fraudulent elections: funny how the concerns that 'half' of the US had with elections were dismissed. Especially when conditions were different, by using a method usually agreed (until now, cuz narrative) prone to tampering. So much for free and fair elections. So _Zero_ huh?
- CRConrad 4y ago
  > So _Zero_ huh? Zero comparison. Sure, there's probably a non-zero amount of germs in the pasteurised homogenised and sterilly-packaged milk I buy at the supermarket. So is drinking that equivalent to sucking the pus out of a punctured boil on the arse of a diseased cow? No. There's zero comparison. None. Zero. Learn to read, man. If nothing else, it'll make you a better propaganda troll for your Kremlin master.