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How do you feel about western-owned web services?

lotusmars 4y ago
People in Russia felt much safer using iCloud, Gmail or Google Drive. Of course they comply to some requests by Kremlin or police. But Yandex or VK just give information straight away often times without much procedure.
- honkler 4y ago
  the same way I feel much comfortable using Yandex in united states. Google and Facebook feed their data to NSA.
  - riku_iki 4y ago
    Any proof of that?
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    - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
      Snowden's leaks are not enough for you?
      - riku_iki 4y ago
        What proof Snowden provided about Google and FB feeding data to NSA exactly?
        waffleiron 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides
        riku_iki 4y ago
        There is no clarity on these slides if collection happened proactively or it was a way to transfer information for FISA warrants.
        waffleiron 4y ago
        You asked for proof of the following: > Google and Facebook feed their data to NSA. We know that at least some companies were ordered to handover all data, continuously [1]. edit: I think we have enough evidence that I would assume that it's valid for the other companies on the slides, and if it's not true you'll have to provide some proof of that. edit 2: [2] > It searches that database and lets them listen to the calls or read the emails of everything that the NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories or Google search terms that you've entered, and it also alerts them to any further activity that people connected to that email address or that IP address do in the future." > Greenwald explained that while there are "legal constraints" on surveillance that require approval by the FISA court, these programs still allow analysts to search through data with little court approval or supervision. > "There are legal constraints for how you can spy on Americans," Greenwald said. "You can't target them without going to the FISA court. But these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents." > "And it's all done with no need to go to a court, with no need to even get supervisor approval on the part of the analyst," he added. edit 3: > Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.” [3] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-reco... [2] https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwald-low-level-nsa-analysts-have-powerful-and-invasive-search-tool/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwal... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligenc...
        4y ago

People in Russia felt much safer using iCloud, Gmail or Google Drive. Of course they comply to some requests by Kremlin or police. But Yandex or VK just give information straight away often times without much procedure.

honkler 4y ago
the same way I feel much comfortable using Yandex in united states. Google and Facebook feed their data to NSA.
- riku_iki 4y ago
  Any proof of that?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Snowden's leaks are not enough for you?
    - riku_iki 4y ago
      What proof Snowden provided about Google and FB feeding data to NSA exactly?
      - waffleiron 4y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM#The_slides
        riku_iki 4y ago
        There is no clarity on these slides if collection happened proactively or it was a way to transfer information for FISA warrants.
        waffleiron 4y ago
        You asked for proof of the following: > Google and Facebook feed their data to NSA. We know that at least some companies were ordered to handover all data, continuously [1]. edit: I think we have enough evidence that I would assume that it's valid for the other companies on the slides, and if it's not true you'll have to provide some proof of that. edit 2: [2] > It searches that database and lets them listen to the calls or read the emails of everything that the NSA has stored, or look at the browsing histories or Google search terms that you've entered, and it also alerts them to any further activity that people connected to that email address or that IP address do in the future." > Greenwald explained that while there are "legal constraints" on surveillance that require approval by the FISA court, these programs still allow analysts to search through data with little court approval or supervision. > "There are legal constraints for how you can spy on Americans," Greenwald said. "You can't target them without going to the FISA court. But these systems allow analysts to listen to whatever emails they want, whatever telephone calls, browsing histories, Microsoft Word documents." > "And it's all done with no need to go to a court, with no need to even get supervisor approval on the part of the analyst," he added. edit 3: > Equally unusual is the way the NSA extracts what it wants, according to the document: “Collection directly from the servers of these U.S. Service Providers: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.” [3] [1] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-records-verizon-court-order https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/nsa-phone-reco... [2] https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwald-low-level-nsa-analysts-have-powerful-and-invasive-search-tool/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/07/glenn-greenwal... [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligenc...
        4y ago