> Juul is not conscious and cannot want anything. Whether or not it is conscious and whether or not it wants anything is fundamentally unprovable (even for you

> Juul is not conscious and cannot want anything. Whether or not it is conscious and whether or not it wants anything is fundamentally unprovable (even for you, assuming you are human) and thus this statement can only be founded on nothing but faith and assumptions. In a practical sense Juul has legal personhood and can be seen to respond to impulses and plan. It is reasonable to treat it as an entity: if it is harmful it must be punished. If elements of it are exceptionally harmful, they must be punished extra (just as we do for cancer). None of that has anything at all to do with whether or not it has consciousness or wants things.