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I've been the guy who gets called at 4am when postgres takes a dump. I've also been the guy doing the calling (well, not really as a PM, since again, we don't g

by timr 4y ago

I've been the guy who gets called at 4am when postgres takes a dump. I've also been the guy doing the calling (well, not really as a PM, since again, we don't generally have the ability to tell anyone what to do at 4AM, but I digress.) > Communicating with them goes nowhere since they don't empathize with your point of view. Can't speak for everyone, but again, I've been on both sides of the table, and I've never seen an example of this. I think it's rare. > The only form of motivation is threat of existence in the company. This is so extreme that I feel I must respond just for the sake of other people reading it: if your PM is motivating you via threats, something is very wrong.

eurasiantiger 4y ago
I think the grandparent meant that the PM is motivated by the threat of having to leave due to a failing project.
- lowercased 4y ago
  That's how I read it.
Chris2048 4y ago
> I've never seen an example of this Without knowing what your experiences are, as context, it's not possible to see the value in this. How many places (for how long) did you work as a dev?
bb88 4y ago
> if your PM is motivating you via threats, something is very wrong. Seriously? This is how 80% of companies work. In many of those companies, stack ranking is a very effective tool for running people out the door. It's often _baked_ into corporate culture.
- Majestic121 4y ago
  If that's your experience, you either have been extremely unlucky, or you should look back on your own behavior. I've had some problems with PM before, but never about threats, and that would go very poorly with most people I know.
  - bb88 4y ago
    In 2022 what's the leading cause of people leaving a company? Toxic Management / Toxic work culture. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/14/the-biggest-reason-people-quit-is-10-times-more-important-than-pay.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/14/the-biggest-reason-people-qu... Modern management have had what? 100 years to fix this now?

by timr 4y ago

eurasiantiger 4y ago

I think the grandparent meant that the PM is motivated by the threat of having to leave due to a failing project.

lowercased 4y ago
That's how I read it.

Chris2048 4y ago

> I've never seen an example of this Without knowing what your experiences are, as context, it's not possible to see the value in this. How many places (for how long) did you work as a dev?

bb88 4y ago

> if your PM is motivating you via threats, something is very wrong. Seriously? This is how 80% of companies work. In many of those companies, stack ranking is a very effective tool for running people out the door. It's often _baked_ into corporate culture.

Majestic121 4y ago
If that's your experience, you either have been extremely unlucky, or you should look back on your own behavior. I've had some problems with PM before, but never about threats, and that would go very poorly with most people I know.
- bb88 4y ago
  In 2022 what's the leading cause of people leaving a company? Toxic Management / Toxic work culture. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/14/the-biggest-reason-people-quit-is-10-times-more-important-than-pay.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/14/the-biggest-reason-people-qu... Modern management have had what? 100 years to fix this now?