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Lenovo ThinkPad X13s with Snapdragon ARM-CPUs Available

23 points by Klasiaster 4y ago

Klasiaster 4y ago
It really looks promising with a fanless design, 2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports and both large fast storage and RAM. No idea if or how well it runs Linux, though.
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- my123 4y ago
  https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-msm/patch/20220622041224.627803-7-bjorn.andersson@linaro.org/ https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-msm/patch/202... In an early state currently.
coverband 4y ago
Looked good until I saw the 300 nits for display brightness. Not enough for a machine at this price...
- ggm 4y ago
  fanless. thats huge. compromise on screen in-unit, attach to external monitor for the hi-beam experience.
- fmakunbound 4y ago
  What is it with ThinkPads and screen brightness. It’s been abysmal for as long as I remember
Shadonototra 4y ago
$1300 for a snapdragon laptop? and it is already 40% off, retail price is 2x the macbook air M2 and probably not even 10% the performance lol, i can't imagine people wanting to buy one way too overpriced, even at $600 it should be 2x too expensive
- haunter 4y ago
  >and probably not even 10% the performance lol roughly ~60% if you compare the raw Geekbench scores M2 1919/8928 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 This Thinkpad 1118/5776 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 Just to a comparison the last i7 MBP 1219/4451 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2020-intel-core-i7-1068ng7-2-3-ghz-4-cores https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2... I'll probably get one cause I love Thinkpads ^^
  - stunpix 4y ago
    Here’s a link to the Geekbench instead of youtube for this CPU: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=8cx+gen+3 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q...
vips7L 4y ago
Does anyone have any performance benchmarks of the CPU?
- haunter 4y ago
  Macbook Air M2 1919/8928 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 This Thinkpad 1118/5776 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 Just to a comparison the last i7 MBP 1219/4451 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2020-intel-core-i7-1068ng7-2-3-ghz-4-cores https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2...
  - vips7L 4y ago
    Thank you that is exactly what I was looking for.
knaik94 4y ago
It looks less compelling than premium chromebooks in the same price tier. At the very least, even if it's not a chromebook, I feel like every snapdragon laptop should be a 2 in 1 with a wacom layer. Windows 11 has both hardware and platform support to do android emulation well. A non convertible doesn't make sense. I hope we see more in the future and it was delayed simply because of some delay on the supply chain. The display is a huge disappointment but I have noticed that with ThinkPad it usually takes 2 or 3 generations of a new laptop line before it feels polished. The fact that this is a 300 nit screen while even some of the most budget Android phones and tablets have gorgeous high brightness displays seems more than an oversight though. With a laptop sized battery and the power efficiency of a snapdragon processor, I imagined they would have a huge energy budget for the screen. Charging speed isn't marketed which makes me wonder if it will be lackluster. It uses usb pd 3 and both the 45w and 65w chargers are listed as compatible in the manual in addition to specifying usb c pd 3 compatibility. I look forward to seeing more from this line. Too bad there's really poor support for booting into Ubuntu. On the other hand WSL2 has matured to a point where I would feel comfortable working in it with non graphic intensive applications and can't see any other glaring expected pain points. Other than thr fact that there's no windows 11 vgpu driver available for snapdragon arm64. So no proper hardware gpu acceleration in wsl2 apps. Seems like a great concept that is making weird compromises. I think it can be a serious contender for everyday use once these few things are taken care of and it's stuffed into a 2 in 1 form factor. And 3:2 aspect ratio would be a cherry on top.
- faeriechangling 4y ago
  Lenovo has to be saving like $5-10 on the BOM to keep shipping such terrible screens. I’m optimistic about the long term future of these chips but these laptops aren’t it. Slow, dim, expensive. It’s hard to swallow. I don’t find a built in wireless modem does anything but save a few seconds tethering while adding a large recurring expense. At about $1000 they would have broad appeal… at $1300 this is a very niche product.
yellowapple 4y ago
> The ThinkPad X13s laptop provides a smartphone-like experience with your PC. Already not interested. If anything I want a PC-like experience with my smartphone, not the other way around. Might be more interested once there's confirmed (desktop) Linux support.
pengaru 4y ago
Why would anyone choose this over an AMD X13? At least the Linux support is relatively mature there, even the GPU driver is in mainline kernel+mesa.
durnygbur 4y ago
> Operating System Windows 11 Pro ..and how do I buy one without the Microsoft tax?

23 points by Klasiaster 4y ago

It really looks promising with a fanless design, 2 USB 3.2 Gen 2 ports and both large fast storage and RAM. No idea if or how well it runs Linux, though.

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my123 4y ago
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-msm/patch/20220622041224.627803-7-bjorn.andersson@linaro.org/ https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-arm-msm/patch/202... In an early state currently.

coverband 4y ago

Looked good until I saw the 300 nits for display brightness. Not enough for a machine at this price...

ggm 4y ago
fanless. thats huge. compromise on screen in-unit, attach to external monitor for the hi-beam experience.
fmakunbound 4y ago
What is it with ThinkPads and screen brightness. It’s been abysmal for as long as I remember

Shadonototra 4y ago

$1300 for a snapdragon laptop? and it is already 40% off, retail price is 2x the macbook air M2 and probably not even 10% the performance lol, i can't imagine people wanting to buy one way too overpriced, even at $600 it should be 2x too expensive

haunter 4y ago
>and probably not even 10% the performance lol roughly ~60% if you compare the raw Geekbench scores M2 1919/8928 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 This Thinkpad 1118/5776 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 Just to a comparison the last i7 MBP 1219/4451 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2020-intel-core-i7-1068ng7-2-3-ghz-4-cores https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2... I'll probably get one cause I love Thinkpads ^^
- stunpix 4y ago
  Here’s a link to the Geekbench instead of youtube for this CPU: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=8cx+gen+3 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q...

vips7L 4y ago

Does anyone have any performance benchmarks of the CPU?

haunter 4y ago
Macbook Air M2 1919/8928 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/15482594 This Thinkpad 1118/5776 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 https://youtu.be/Us2fSmD99PU?t=401 Just to a comparison the last i7 MBP 1219/4451 https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2020-intel-core-i7-1068ng7-2-3-ghz-4-cores https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-pro-13-inch-mid-2...
- vips7L 4y ago
  Thank you that is exactly what I was looking for.

knaik94 4y ago

It looks less compelling than premium chromebooks in the same price tier. At the very least, even if it's not a chromebook, I feel like every snapdragon laptop should be a 2 in 1 with a wacom layer. Windows 11 has both hardware and platform support to do android emulation well. A non convertible doesn't make sense. I hope we see more in the future and it was delayed simply because of some delay on the supply chain. The display is a huge disappointment but I have noticed that with ThinkPad it usually takes 2 or 3 generations of a new laptop line before it feels polished. The fact that this is a 300 nit screen while even some of the most budget Android phones and tablets have gorgeous high brightness displays seems more than an oversight though. With a laptop sized battery and the power efficiency of a snapdragon processor, I imagined they would have a huge energy budget for the screen. Charging speed isn't marketed which makes me wonder if it will be lackluster. It uses usb pd 3 and both the 45w and 65w chargers are listed as compatible in the manual in addition to specifying usb c pd 3 compatibility. I look forward to seeing more from this line. Too bad there's really poor support for booting into Ubuntu. On the other hand WSL2 has matured to a point where I would feel comfortable working in it with non graphic intensive applications and can't see any other glaring expected pain points. Other than thr fact that there's no windows 11 vgpu driver available for snapdragon arm64. So no proper hardware gpu acceleration in wsl2 apps. Seems like a great concept that is making weird compromises. I think it can be a serious contender for everyday use once these few things are taken care of and it's stuffed into a 2 in 1 form factor. And 3:2 aspect ratio would be a cherry on top.

faeriechangling 4y ago
Lenovo has to be saving like $5-10 on the BOM to keep shipping such terrible screens. I’m optimistic about the long term future of these chips but these laptops aren’t it. Slow, dim, expensive. It’s hard to swallow. I don’t find a built in wireless modem does anything but save a few seconds tethering while adding a large recurring expense. At about $1000 they would have broad appeal… at $1300 this is a very niche product.

yellowapple 4y ago

> The ThinkPad X13s laptop provides a smartphone-like experience with your PC. Already not interested. If anything I want a PC-like experience with my smartphone, not the other way around. Might be more interested once there's confirmed (desktop) Linux support.

pengaru 4y ago

Why would anyone choose this over an AMD X13? At least the Linux support is relatively mature there, even the GPU driver is in mainline kernel+mesa.

durnygbur 4y ago

> Operating System Windows 11 Pro ..and how do I buy one without the Microsoft tax?