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One of the more interesting innovations that I've seen in this kind of technology is atomizing it using a piezoelectric ultrasound emitter which vibrates it int

One of the more interesting innovations that I've seen in this kind of technology is atomizing it using a piezoelectric ultrasound emitter which vibrates it into a vapour instead of using any combustion at all.

GloriousKoji 4y ago
But that technology has been around for decades?
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  Yeah it's basically what you find in those novelty gnome and mushroom fog fountains at the shopping mall
pstuart 4y ago
Combustion is required to decarboxylate the THC (which is why eating raw bud will not get you high). Obviously the workaround would have the juice decarbed but I think that it would be difficult to find that in the wild.
- jamal-kumar 4y ago
  Interesting, I've only ever seen it for nicotine vapes so far but that would make sense
- droopyEyelids 4y ago
  You're repeating a persistent myth. Eating raw cannabis will absolutely get you high, and heating it doesn't noticeably affect the potency. "Decarboxylation" or the removal of a carboxyl group, where it's usually released as CO2, is a common reaction in chemistry, and it doesn't tend to require a lot of activation energy. Every amino acid is decarboxylated after you consume it. Carbonic acid in soda decarboxylates itself at standard atmospheric temperature. And in the case of your stomach, the HCl will decarboxylate the weed you eat just fine.
  - wwwhatcrack 4y ago
  - CacheRules 4y ago
    This is not true.
  - ghostly_s 4y ago
    LOL, this is easily demonstrated as nonsense. People generally have a poor understanding of what is required to effectively decarboxylize, but it absolutely is required to fully activate the THC content, even if eating raw weed may give you a bit of a buzz from already decarb'd THC in the raw flower.
  - jrace 4y ago
    You need significantly more to obtain the same effects.
  - krageon 4y ago
    > Eating raw cannabis will absolutely get you high, and heating it doesn't noticeably affect the potency. Instead of spreading stuff like this, just go and try it. It's really kind of exasperating to read outright fabrications, but when they are this easy to disprove I can't even see a charitable interpretation of why you would do so.
  - nsv 4y ago
    Do you have a source for this? Every resource I look at online says that decarboxylation is required for making edibles and this matches my personal experience.
- jrace 4y ago
  Some concentrates (distillate for example) are decarb’d in the process of extracting it.
ghostly_s 4y ago
Considering how disastrous ultrasound humidifiers are for human health I would be very concerned about its application here.
- R0b0t1 4y ago
  Sorry, can you clarify?
  - leetcrew 4y ago
    "disastrous" is a bit of an exaggeration, but ultrasonic humidifiers literally fling water into the air. whatever is dissolved in the water goes along for the ride, so you can potentially get a lot of particulate matter in the output. exactly how bad this is depends on the quality of your tap water.
    - moistly 4y ago
      IOW, pneumoconiosis. Miners’ Lung. https://www.drugs.com/health-guide/pneumoconiosis.html https://www.drugs.com/health-guide/pneumoconiosis.html
      - R0b0t1 4y ago
        The solids in water are soluble, doesn't seem like inhaling them will be a huge issue in small quantities.
        moistly 4y ago
        Having seen the startlingly thick coating of mineral deposits around my house when I used an ultrasonic humidifier (and our hard water), I disagree. The NIH indicates that these particles do have a measurable effect. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21199854/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21199854/ > We report here the case of a young infant with significant accidental inhalational lung injury related to dispersal of mineral dust from an ultrasonic home-use humidifier. The clinical consequences included prolonged hypoxemia, tachypnea, and failure to thrive. Radiography revealed pneumonitis, and pulmonary-function testing showed a nonreversible mild obstructive ventilatory defect. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922954/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922954/ > These results indicate that aerosol particles released from ultrasonic humidifiers operated with tap water initiated a cellular response but did not cause severe acute inflammation in pulmonary tissue. Additionally, high mineral content tap water is not recommended and de-mineralized water should be recommended in order to exclude any adverse effects.

GloriousKoji 4y ago

But that technology has been around for decades?

jamal-kumar 4y ago
Yeah it's basically what you find in those novelty gnome and mushroom fog fountains at the shopping mall

pstuart 4y ago

Combustion is required to decarboxylate the THC (which is why eating raw bud will not get you high). Obviously the workaround would have the juice decarbed but I think that it would be difficult to find that in the wild.

jamal-kumar 4y ago
Interesting, I've only ever seen it for nicotine vapes so far but that would make sense
droopyEyelids 4y ago
You're repeating a persistent myth. Eating raw cannabis will absolutely get you high, and heating it doesn't noticeably affect the potency. "Decarboxylation" or the removal of a carboxyl group, where it's usually released as CO2, is a common reaction in chemistry, and it doesn't tend to require a lot of activation energy. Every amino acid is decarboxylated after you consume it. Carbonic acid in soda decarboxylates itself at standard atmospheric temperature. And in the case of your stomach, the HCl will decarboxylate the weed you eat just fine.
- wwwhatcrack 4y ago
- CacheRules 4y ago
  This is not true.
- ghostly_s 4y ago
  LOL, this is easily demonstrated as nonsense. People generally have a poor understanding of what is required to effectively decarboxylize, but it absolutely is required to fully activate the THC content, even if eating raw weed may give you a bit of a buzz from already decarb'd THC in the raw flower.
- jrace 4y ago
  You need significantly more to obtain the same effects.
- krageon 4y ago
  > Eating raw cannabis will absolutely get you high, and heating it doesn't noticeably affect the potency. Instead of spreading stuff like this, just go and try it. It's really kind of exasperating to read outright fabrications, but when they are this easy to disprove I can't even see a charitable interpretation of why you would do so.
- nsv 4y ago
  Do you have a source for this? Every resource I look at online says that decarboxylation is required for making edibles and this matches my personal experience.
jrace 4y ago
Some concentrates (distillate for example) are decarb’d in the process of extracting it.

ghostly_s 4y ago

Considering how disastrous ultrasound humidifiers are for human health I would be very concerned about its application here.

R0b0t1 4y ago
Sorry, can you clarify?
- leetcrew 4y ago
  "disastrous" is a bit of an exaggeration, but ultrasonic humidifiers literally fling water into the air. whatever is dissolved in the water goes along for the ride, so you can potentially get a lot of particulate matter in the output. exactly how bad this is depends on the quality of your tap water.
  - moistly 4y ago
    IOW, pneumoconiosis. Miners’ Lung. https://www.drugs.com/health-guide/pneumoconiosis.html https://www.drugs.com/health-guide/pneumoconiosis.html
    - R0b0t1 4y ago
      The solids in water are soluble, doesn't seem like inhaling them will be a huge issue in small quantities.
      - moistly 4y ago
        Having seen the startlingly thick coating of mineral deposits around my house when I used an ultrasonic humidifier (and our hard water), I disagree. The NIH indicates that these particles do have a measurable effect. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21199854/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21199854/ > We report here the case of a young infant with significant accidental inhalational lung injury related to dispersal of mineral dust from an ultrasonic home-use humidifier. The clinical consequences included prolonged hypoxemia, tachypnea, and failure to thrive. Radiography revealed pneumonitis, and pulmonary-function testing showed a nonreversible mild obstructive ventilatory defect. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922954/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3922954/ > These results indicate that aerosol particles released from ultrasonic humidifiers operated with tap water initiated a cellular response but did not cause severe acute inflammation in pulmonary tissue. Additionally, high mineral content tap water is not recommended and de-mineralized water should be recommended in order to exclude any adverse effects.