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What country are /you/ talking about? In my city, there are homeless people living in tents under every overpass, in every empty lot, parking lots, tennis court

What country are /you/ talking about? In my city, there are homeless people living in tents under every overpass, in every empty lot, parking lots, tennis courts, in broken down cars, etc. You think these people have trust funds?

seanmcdirmid 4y ago
No, but they have food in the cities they decide to camp in, which are selected due to weather, social services (e.g. calling Seattle as "Freattle"), and lax enforcement of camping rules.
- trs8080 4y ago
  I see the exact opposite of these claims.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    You mean, homeless people choose to shelter in cities with bad weather, poor social services, and places where the police aggressively crack down on encampments? I once took a greyhound bus across country. From Mississippi all the way to LA, the bus would stop at each prison, pick people up..they were all going to one place (LA), many of them for the first time. They had nowhere else to go, an open bus ticket, and knowledge that they could survive in LA. These days, Portland and Seattle are increasingly popular places, not just sunny California.
voldacar 4y ago
You are actually proving their point by noting the plethora of homeless people who are surviving
- micromacrofoot 4y ago
  "surviving" in slums of filth and crime while likely costing taxpayers more than homing them would (not to mention the high prevalence of mental illness among the homeless) it's just outright idiotic policy to accept the current state of homelessness in many major cities, it's inhumane AND expensive
  - voldacar 4y ago
    I generally agree with the second part of your comment, but it is still true that homeless people survive fine, their quality of life is just usually bad. This is very different from starving to death and needing to shoplift
    - micromacrofoot 4y ago
      It's a little more indirect than you're presenting, but it is still a fraught situation where people have significantly shorter lifespans. Starvation is unusual, but murder, exposure, overdose, and withdrawal are common. A lot of these people shoplift to keep up a physical addiction that they can not easily or safely move on from.
      - josephcsible 4y ago
        How can letting people shoplift stop them from getting murdered? Also, I wonder how many people die of overdose who would have survived if they had less money to buy drugs with, versus how many people die of withdrawal who would have survived if they had more money to buy drugs with.
        micromacrofoot 4y ago
        letting people shoplift doesn’t make it better, but arresting them doesn’t either (often worse)… it’s just the symptom of a greater problem

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

No, but they have food in the cities they decide to camp in, which are selected due to weather, social services (e.g. calling Seattle as "Freattle"), and lax enforcement of camping rules.

trs8080 4y ago
I see the exact opposite of these claims.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  You mean, homeless people choose to shelter in cities with bad weather, poor social services, and places where the police aggressively crack down on encampments? I once took a greyhound bus across country. From Mississippi all the way to LA, the bus would stop at each prison, pick people up..they were all going to one place (LA), many of them for the first time. They had nowhere else to go, an open bus ticket, and knowledge that they could survive in LA. These days, Portland and Seattle are increasingly popular places, not just sunny California.

voldacar 4y ago

You are actually proving their point by noting the plethora of homeless people who are surviving

micromacrofoot 4y ago
"surviving" in slums of filth and crime while likely costing taxpayers more than homing them would (not to mention the high prevalence of mental illness among the homeless) it's just outright idiotic policy to accept the current state of homelessness in many major cities, it's inhumane AND expensive
- voldacar 4y ago
  I generally agree with the second part of your comment, but it is still true that homeless people survive fine, their quality of life is just usually bad. This is very different from starving to death and needing to shoplift
  - micromacrofoot 4y ago
    It's a little more indirect than you're presenting, but it is still a fraught situation where people have significantly shorter lifespans. Starvation is unusual, but murder, exposure, overdose, and withdrawal are common. A lot of these people shoplift to keep up a physical addiction that they can not easily or safely move on from.
    - josephcsible 4y ago
      How can letting people shoplift stop them from getting murdered? Also, I wonder how many people die of overdose who would have survived if they had less money to buy drugs with, versus how many people die of withdrawal who would have survived if they had more money to buy drugs with.
      - micromacrofoot 4y ago
        letting people shoplift doesn’t make it better, but arresting them doesn’t either (often worse)… it’s just the symptom of a greater problem