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There are no carcinogenic chemicals in vape liquid. So how are they so bad? Yes nicotine is addictive but the only serious health effects come if you consume in

There are no carcinogenic chemicals in vape liquid. So how are they so bad? Yes nicotine is addictive but the only serious health effects come if you consume insane amounts of it daily (usually cardiovascular, it basically just raises your blood pressure).

camgunz 4y ago
There's a sibling comment outlining the negative health effects of nicotine, but there are also significant financial effects: maintaining a nicotine addiction is expensive. Should we really be a society that allows products whose only role in the market is to get consumers addicted to them, providing a profit stream in perpetuity? What's the upside to that?
- krolden 4y ago
  Its only expensive because the regulations made it that way. I was buying a litre of unflavored pg+VG with the nicotine already mixed in (I got to pick my own flavors to mix in) and it coat me pennies on the dollar compared to buying a 100ml bottle of shitty premixed juice at the store. They put an end to that when they made shipping nicotine to consumers through the mail illegal.
KingOfCoders 4y ago
Many chemicals that kill you do not have carcinogenic elements.
betwixthewires 4y ago
You have no way to know that there are no carcinogenic compounds in vape fluid, unless you make it yourself. If you're serious about ensuring that you know what goes into your body, just mix nicotine with USP food grade vegetable glycerin at desired concentrations and vape that, no flavors.
bowsamic 4y ago
I think it's mostly a moral panic from seeing so many kids using it, rather than an accurate assessment of the dangers
adamc 4y ago
This is just false. Go read the literature on nicotine. It helps create artery disease, both in terms of blockages and having them explode (hardening of the arteries) later.
- blablablerg 4y ago
  Source?
- samatman 4y ago
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- srrr 4y ago
  So does sugar. So what's exactly the argument? If we forbid everything that might be dangerous the world would look very different. Half our food would vanish. Cars get banned... To have a fair discussion I think we should compare to other substances we legally consume.
  - camgunz 4y ago
    The difference between sugar and nicotine is that sugar isn't addictive (at least, no where near as addictive as nicotine) and is naturally present (in many forms) in lots of nutritive foods. Re: cars, cars have upsides. What's the upside of nicotine?
    - hippich 4y ago
      re sugar not being addictive.... i smiled at naivety... it took me years to get off sugar in my tea :) regarding upsides of nicotine - one may improve mood, alertness, calm down anxiety. These are acute results. Long-term - I believe there are quite a few papers on nicotine usage being associated with decreased chances of alzheimer's. (just one off top of my head, there might be more.)
    - 4y ago
jeffbee 4y ago
There might not be any human carcinogens in cold vape liquid, unless it was produced by organized criminals and introduced into the bootleg market, which is quite common. But once heated, which is how an e-cigarette works, even the non-carcinogenic solvents react to form probable human carcinogens. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5307352/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5307352/

camgunz 4y ago

There's a sibling comment outlining the negative health effects of nicotine, but there are also significant financial effects: maintaining a nicotine addiction is expensive. Should we really be a society that allows products whose only role in the market is to get consumers addicted to them, providing a profit stream in perpetuity? What's the upside to that?

krolden 4y ago
Its only expensive because the regulations made it that way. I was buying a litre of unflavored pg+VG with the nicotine already mixed in (I got to pick my own flavors to mix in) and it coat me pennies on the dollar compared to buying a 100ml bottle of shitty premixed juice at the store. They put an end to that when they made shipping nicotine to consumers through the mail illegal.

KingOfCoders 4y ago

Many chemicals that kill you do not have carcinogenic elements.

betwixthewires 4y ago

You have no way to know that there are no carcinogenic compounds in vape fluid, unless you make it yourself. If you're serious about ensuring that you know what goes into your body, just mix nicotine with USP food grade vegetable glycerin at desired concentrations and vape that, no flavors.

bowsamic 4y ago

I think it's mostly a moral panic from seeing so many kids using it, rather than an accurate assessment of the dangers

adamc 4y ago

This is just false. Go read the literature on nicotine. It helps create artery disease, both in terms of blockages and having them explode (hardening of the arteries) later.

blablablerg 4y ago
Source?
samatman 4y ago
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srrr 4y ago
So does sugar. So what's exactly the argument? If we forbid everything that might be dangerous the world would look very different. Half our food would vanish. Cars get banned... To have a fair discussion I think we should compare to other substances we legally consume.
- camgunz 4y ago
  The difference between sugar and nicotine is that sugar isn't addictive (at least, no where near as addictive as nicotine) and is naturally present (in many forms) in lots of nutritive foods. Re: cars, cars have upsides. What's the upside of nicotine?
  - hippich 4y ago
    re sugar not being addictive.... i smiled at naivety... it took me years to get off sugar in my tea :) regarding upsides of nicotine - one may improve mood, alertness, calm down anxiety. These are acute results. Long-term - I believe there are quite a few papers on nicotine usage being associated with decreased chances of alzheimer's. (just one off top of my head, there might be more.)
  - 4y ago

jeffbee 4y ago

There might not be any human carcinogens in cold vape liquid, unless it was produced by organized criminals and introduced into the bootleg market, which is quite common. But once heated, which is how an e-cigarette works, even the non-carcinogenic solvents react to form probable human carcinogens. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5307352/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5307352/