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Observations: 1: Amazing that Javascript is the most popular language, despite nobody has yet managed to write a fast FizzBuzz in it :) https://codegolf.stack

by mg 4y ago

Observations: 1: Amazing that Javascript is the most popular language, despite nobody has yet managed to write a fast FizzBuzz in it :) https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/215216/high-throughput-fizz-buzz https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/215216/high-thr... 2: SQL and Bash both went up a percentage point! Yay! The art of terse and efficient code is not yet dying. 3: Strange that "Web frameworks" mixes backend and frontend frameworks. Why is "node.js" listed here? Isn't node.js a runtime? 4: Docker made a big jump from 49% to 64%. I consider that a good thing. I don't believe in "containerizing" applications. But I prefer to have Docker stay around for the long term. Because containers on their own are so darn useful. 5: Git is at 94%! Really? 94% of developers use Git? Or do they use some tool that is using abstracting Git away, like GitHub? Anyhow. Thats great, because Git (like vim) is one of the best pieces of software out there and I love that it will be around for a very long time.

bluedino 4y ago
There is no way that 94% of programmers know how to use Git. Most of them barely know how to program.
GlitchMr 4y ago
> 1: Amazing that Javascript is the most popular language, despite nobody has yet managed to write a fast FizzBuzz in it :) The reason for that is that standard output implementation in Node.js is very slow. When the challenge is to write as fast as possible to standard output that's not ideal.
silentguy 4y ago
Regarding Git being 94%, if you see the table just below about interacting with the version control system, you'd see 83.57% users using command-line. 28.44% are using version control hosting service web GUI. 83.57% is still a big number of people who are using git with fewer abstractions on top.
speedgoose 4y ago
It’s because it’s not possible.
- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  Why not?
  - trinovantes 4y ago
    This fizzbuzz competition specifically requires the solution to work up to 2^63 which is not possible as the largest int in JS is 2^54-1. You would have to use BigInt which would greatly reduce your performance. So not impossible but kinda pointless for JS
    - shakna 4y ago
      There's ASM and C answers, without going near BigNum libraries. You wouldn't necessarily have to implement or use a BigNum library.
      - Taywee 4y ago
        ASM and C have access to native 64-bit integers. Javascript does not.
        shakna 4y ago
        Javascript does [0]. Shipping in Chrome v67, and rolling out elsewhere. [0] https://chromestatus.com/feature/5371603852460032 https://chromestatus.com/feature/5371603852460032
        Taywee 4y ago
        That's not native 64-bit integers. That's BigInt, and it's already out everywhere, and unless the situation has changed, it's significantly slower than just 64-bit integers would be. I'm not actually attacking JavaScript for this, note. I don't think it's really all that much of a problem given the purposes of JavaScript, and I think it could really be better fixed by doing something similar to what Lua did, and have all numbers transparently either a 64-bit floating point number or a 64-bit signed integer. If you are using JavaScript and something like specifically needing 64-bit integers is an issue for you, there's a good chance you should just be using WebAssembly.
capableweb 4y ago
> Amazing that Javascript is the most popular language, despite nobody has yet managed to write a fast FizzBuzz in it It's almost like "Best performance of all languages!" is not that important of an requirement for a language to become popular :)
- runarberg 4y ago
  Being the native language of the most popular information sharing standard in the history of humanity surely must account for something.
  - polishdude20 4y ago
    I don't think it's a surprise honestly. It's the language used for creating programs that can be shared with anyone who has a browser. You don't share the code or the software and tell your friend to run it. You share a link to a webpage and it runs there. It's the language that underpins the most shareable form of software out there.
waylandsmithers 4y ago
> Why is "node.js" listed here? Isn't node.js a runtime? In this context this almost always means node.js with express
- MattGaiser 4y ago
  I so rarely hear of Express in the context of backend JS. People always just say Node. Curious convention.
AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Re 2: Bash can be terse, yes. Efficient? Depends. It can be efficient in terms of developer time to get something running. Efficient in terms of CPU time? Maybe not.
- kaba0 4y ago
  It is efficient in neither. No 3+ lines bash code will be without a bug, I assure you. That “language” should be buried deep.
thunderbong 4y ago
> Git is at 94%! Really? 94% of developers use Git? I think this means that 94% of the people using Git have questions!! IMHO, this means that a simple Distributed Version Control System is really required.
- _ZeD_ 4y ago
  like mercurial?
- kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
  All the Git users took a break from reading tutorials and googling for solutions, and took this survey.
- layer8 4y ago
  > a simple Distributed Version Control System is really required Right, it would be nice to have a simple one.

by mg 4y ago

bluedino 4y ago

There is no way that 94% of programmers know how to use Git. Most of them barely know how to program.

GlitchMr 4y ago

> 1: Amazing that Javascript is the most popular language, despite nobody has yet managed to write a fast FizzBuzz in it :) The reason for that is that standard output implementation in Node.js is very slow. When the challenge is to write as fast as possible to standard output that's not ideal.

silentguy 4y ago

Regarding Git being 94%, if you see the table just below about interacting with the version control system, you'd see 83.57% users using command-line. 28.44% are using version control hosting service web GUI. 83.57% is still a big number of people who are using git with fewer abstractions on top.

speedgoose 4y ago

It’s because it’s not possible.

shepherdjerred 4y ago
Why not?
- trinovantes 4y ago
  This fizzbuzz competition specifically requires the solution to work up to 2^63 which is not possible as the largest int in JS is 2^54-1. You would have to use BigInt which would greatly reduce your performance. So not impossible but kinda pointless for JS
  - shakna 4y ago
    There's ASM and C answers, without going near BigNum libraries. You wouldn't necessarily have to implement or use a BigNum library.
    - Taywee 4y ago
      ASM and C have access to native 64-bit integers. Javascript does not.
      - shakna 4y ago
        Javascript does [0]. Shipping in Chrome v67, and rolling out elsewhere. [0] https://chromestatus.com/feature/5371603852460032 https://chromestatus.com/feature/5371603852460032
        Taywee 4y ago
        That's not native 64-bit integers. That's BigInt, and it's already out everywhere, and unless the situation has changed, it's significantly slower than just 64-bit integers would be. I'm not actually attacking JavaScript for this, note. I don't think it's really all that much of a problem given the purposes of JavaScript, and I think it could really be better fixed by doing something similar to what Lua did, and have all numbers transparently either a 64-bit floating point number or a 64-bit signed integer. If you are using JavaScript and something like specifically needing 64-bit integers is an issue for you, there's a good chance you should just be using WebAssembly.

capableweb 4y ago

> Amazing that Javascript is the most popular language, despite nobody has yet managed to write a fast FizzBuzz in it It's almost like "Best performance of all languages!" is not that important of an requirement for a language to become popular :)

runarberg 4y ago
Being the native language of the most popular information sharing standard in the history of humanity surely must account for something.
- polishdude20 4y ago
  I don't think it's a surprise honestly. It's the language used for creating programs that can be shared with anyone who has a browser. You don't share the code or the software and tell your friend to run it. You share a link to a webpage and it runs there. It's the language that underpins the most shareable form of software out there.

waylandsmithers 4y ago

> Why is "node.js" listed here? Isn't node.js a runtime? In this context this almost always means node.js with express

MattGaiser 4y ago
I so rarely hear of Express in the context of backend JS. People always just say Node. Curious convention.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago

Re 2: Bash can be terse, yes. Efficient? Depends. It can be efficient in terms of developer time to get something running. Efficient in terms of CPU time? Maybe not.

kaba0 4y ago
It is efficient in neither. No 3+ lines bash code will be without a bug, I assure you. That “language” should be buried deep.

thunderbong 4y ago

> Git is at 94%! Really? 94% of developers use Git? I think this means that 94% of the people using Git have questions!! IMHO, this means that a simple Distributed Version Control System is really required.

_ZeD_ 4y ago
like mercurial?
kwertyoowiyop 4y ago
All the Git users took a break from reading tutorials and googling for solutions, and took this survey.
layer8 4y ago
> a simple Distributed Version Control System is really required Right, it would be nice to have a simple one.