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These are the type of moves that are gonna come back to haunt the democratic party over the next few years. This will make the city streets more unsafe.

markdown 4y ago
Wouldn't this make it more safe? Given that every interaction with police has the potential for death, telling them to stop harassing citizens means safer streets for those citizens.
- Flatcircle 4y ago
  wow, sorta unbelievable replies here. You realize this will effectively make the act of loitering for sex acts legal? And this is happening while our cities are being ravaged by a major drug epidemic. This will most likely breed more sex workers which no one needs at a time when most stores have help wanted signs.
  - __alexs 4y ago
    Do you need to take illegally acquired controlled substances when you have sex?
  - khazhoux 4y ago
    If people would rather work street corners than Safeway, maybe we need to fix retail wages?
    - Flatcircle 4y ago
      Oh I'd bet Safeway pays much better than prostitution.
      - thaumasiotes 4y ago
        Unskilled prostitution generally pays about four times the going rate for unskilled labor, as far as I've read. This was a cross-cultural finding. Skilled prostitution goes much, much higher than that.
        zthrowaway 4y ago
        Most of the money generated here is going to a pimp. These women are being abused and exploited for their body. You support more of that?
        seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        I didn’t read any support in parent’s comment, just earning estimations.
      - yonaguska 4y ago
        Unless you're being sarcastic, you are very wrong. Even on the low end of the pay grade, the benefits of being self employed and able to do drugs on the job outweighs the requirement to show up to work on time and sober at Safeway.
        zthrowaway 4y ago
        I’m amazed how everyone here are acting as if these prostitutes are entrepreneurs of some kind. They are being manhandled by a pimp and forced to do this shit. Most of them are runaways and are being exploited for their body, and end up overdosing on drugs eventually. Holy fuck people here are so out of touch and have no street knowledge.
        yonaguska 4y ago
        I don't mean to imply that they aren't being exploited, I've seen it firsthand. But the parent comment making the comparison to being employed at a convenience store is not a fair at all. My point is that many of these women are strung out on drugs, and they've reached a point where even if legal employment was an option, they wouldn't take it because it wouldn't afford them to ability to continue doing drugs.
        Flatcircle 4y ago
        I couldn’t agree more . It’s amazing to see all these insane comments and downvotes on common sense. Feels very college to me. Classic case of book smarts replacing street smarts. Naive Utopian vibes. There are very bad people in the world unfortunately. Sounds like lots of these commenters don’t know it yet.
  - hansbo 4y ago
    In Sweden, prostitution is illegal, but not selling sex. Instead, the buyer is the one breaking the law. I think this makes more sense, because the prostitutes will not need to fear reaching out for help to get out of the situation.
    - iamtheworstdev 4y ago
      we can't do that in the US because then it would make the (congress)men the enemy and not the women selling temptation.
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      In the USA, both buying and selling sex is illegal in most jurisdictions.
    - sharikous 4y ago
      This also makes the whole prostitution business more shady than in fully liberalized models, like Germany. It's basically saying "prostitution is bad and illegal but if you are offering it we won't punish you (wink)". Frankly it seems to me the worst of both worlds. The customer is automatically in a condemned state and can't redeem themselves. Kind of like how sanctions against Russia levied with no clear terms for removing them won't make them stop since you have basically made them your enemy with no honorable agreement possible.
- spoonjim 4y ago
  Every interaction with everyone has the potential for death. Police officers are not any more dangerous than many other things that are not widely reviled.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  Not really, the whole ecosystem around prostitution is a nasty element of pimps, street dealers, etc. Not in your backyard I’m sure. It’s easy to say academically in your living room that paying some poor soul for a blowjob hurts nobody. It’s even easier to pivot to some knee jerk about how police are the problem. Reality is more complex. And the political reality is that these poorly implemented policy changes are going to create strong republican majorities all over the place.
- a4a4a4a4 4y ago
  > Given that every interaction with police has the potential for death Touch grass and stop perpetuating this nonsense, as if interacting with the police is like playing Russian roulette. 2019 had 634 deaths by police in the US [1]. From the Wiki article: "The Washington Post has tracked shootings since 2015, reporting more than 5,000 incidents since their tracking began.[7] The database can also classify people in various categories including race, age, weapon etc. For 2019, it reported a total of 1,004 people shot and killed by police.[8][9] According to the database, 6,600 have been killed since 2015, including 6,303 men and 294 women. Among those killed, 3,878 were armed with a gun, 1,119 were armed with a knife, 218 were armed with a vehicle, 244 had a toy weapon, and 421 were unarmed." So if you're not carrying a weapon (and probably also threatening the officer/someone with it), you're already way less likely to be killed. How many police interactions are there per year in the US? 61.5 Million in 2018 [2]. That's a 0.00017% chance of dying per police interaction (assuming you're unarmed, 421 unarmed deaths over 4 years). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enfor... [2] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cbpp18st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cbpp18st.pdf
dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
How? Have you ever been attacked by a prostitute on the street? I've been harassed by a lot more cops than prostitutes.
- __alexs 4y ago
  Sex workers themselves are often victims of violent crime so perhaps more sex workers on the streets means more violent crimes committed against them? Really we need solutions that allow sex workers to get off the streets more. Currently it's illegal for them to organise and operate in ways that would really make them safe.
  - aqme28 4y ago
    On the contrary, sex workers would be a lot safer if they were able to turn to the police without fear of arrest. Decriminalizing their work makes them safer.
    - __alexs 4y ago
      I agree but somehow doubt that "we wont arrest you" will translate into "we will listen to you when you get robbed at gun point."
    - iamtheworstdev 4y ago
      this isn't decriminalizing their work. they still won't be able to go to the police. this just says that cops need another reason to harass them.
- kilroy123 4y ago
  Not OP, but yes I have actually been physically attacked by a prostitute on the street. We, a small group, and I were on our way back from a wedding. Just minding our business walking down the street to our hotel. This person was clearly on drugs and paranoid or something.
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markdown 4y ago

Wouldn't this make it more safe? Given that every interaction with police has the potential for death, telling them to stop harassing citizens means safer streets for those citizens.

Flatcircle 4y ago
wow, sorta unbelievable replies here. You realize this will effectively make the act of loitering for sex acts legal? And this is happening while our cities are being ravaged by a major drug epidemic. This will most likely breed more sex workers which no one needs at a time when most stores have help wanted signs.
- __alexs 4y ago
  Do you need to take illegally acquired controlled substances when you have sex?
- khazhoux 4y ago
  If people would rather work street corners than Safeway, maybe we need to fix retail wages?
  - Flatcircle 4y ago
    Oh I'd bet Safeway pays much better than prostitution.
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      Unskilled prostitution generally pays about four times the going rate for unskilled labor, as far as I've read. This was a cross-cultural finding. Skilled prostitution goes much, much higher than that.
      - zthrowaway 4y ago
        Most of the money generated here is going to a pimp. These women are being abused and exploited for their body. You support more of that?
        seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        I didn’t read any support in parent’s comment, just earning estimations.
    - yonaguska 4y ago
      Unless you're being sarcastic, you are very wrong. Even on the low end of the pay grade, the benefits of being self employed and able to do drugs on the job outweighs the requirement to show up to work on time and sober at Safeway.
      - zthrowaway 4y ago
        I’m amazed how everyone here are acting as if these prostitutes are entrepreneurs of some kind. They are being manhandled by a pimp and forced to do this shit. Most of them are runaways and are being exploited for their body, and end up overdosing on drugs eventually. Holy fuck people here are so out of touch and have no street knowledge.
        yonaguska 4y ago
        I don't mean to imply that they aren't being exploited, I've seen it firsthand. But the parent comment making the comparison to being employed at a convenience store is not a fair at all. My point is that many of these women are strung out on drugs, and they've reached a point where even if legal employment was an option, they wouldn't take it because it wouldn't afford them to ability to continue doing drugs.
        Flatcircle 4y ago
        I couldn’t agree more . It’s amazing to see all these insane comments and downvotes on common sense. Feels very college to me. Classic case of book smarts replacing street smarts. Naive Utopian vibes. There are very bad people in the world unfortunately. Sounds like lots of these commenters don’t know it yet.
- hansbo 4y ago
  In Sweden, prostitution is illegal, but not selling sex. Instead, the buyer is the one breaking the law. I think this makes more sense, because the prostitutes will not need to fear reaching out for help to get out of the situation.
  - iamtheworstdev 4y ago
    we can't do that in the US because then it would make the (congress)men the enemy and not the women selling temptation.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    In the USA, both buying and selling sex is illegal in most jurisdictions.
  - sharikous 4y ago
    This also makes the whole prostitution business more shady than in fully liberalized models, like Germany. It's basically saying "prostitution is bad and illegal but if you are offering it we won't punish you (wink)". Frankly it seems to me the worst of both worlds. The customer is automatically in a condemned state and can't redeem themselves. Kind of like how sanctions against Russia levied with no clear terms for removing them won't make them stop since you have basically made them your enemy with no honorable agreement possible.
spoonjim 4y ago
Every interaction with everyone has the potential for death. Police officers are not any more dangerous than many other things that are not widely reviled.
Spooky23 4y ago
Not really, the whole ecosystem around prostitution is a nasty element of pimps, street dealers, etc. Not in your backyard I’m sure. It’s easy to say academically in your living room that paying some poor soul for a blowjob hurts nobody. It’s even easier to pivot to some knee jerk about how police are the problem. Reality is more complex. And the political reality is that these poorly implemented policy changes are going to create strong republican majorities all over the place.
a4a4a4a4 4y ago
> Given that every interaction with police has the potential for death Touch grass and stop perpetuating this nonsense, as if interacting with the police is like playing Russian roulette. 2019 had 634 deaths by police in the US [1]. From the Wiki article: "The Washington Post has tracked shootings since 2015, reporting more than 5,000 incidents since their tracking began.[7] The database can also classify people in various categories including race, age, weapon etc. For 2019, it reported a total of 1,004 people shot and killed by police.[8][9] According to the database, 6,600 have been killed since 2015, including 6,303 men and 294 women. Among those killed, 3,878 were armed with a gun, 1,119 were armed with a knife, 218 were armed with a vehicle, 244 had a toy weapon, and 421 were unarmed." So if you're not carrying a weapon (and probably also threatening the officer/someone with it), you're already way less likely to be killed. How many police interactions are there per year in the US? 61.5 Million in 2018 [2]. That's a 0.00017% chance of dying per police interaction (assuming you're unarmed, 421 unarmed deaths over 4 years). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enfor... [2] https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cbpp18st.pdf https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cbpp18st.pdf

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago

How? Have you ever been attacked by a prostitute on the street? I've been harassed by a lot more cops than prostitutes.

__alexs 4y ago
Sex workers themselves are often victims of violent crime so perhaps more sex workers on the streets means more violent crimes committed against them? Really we need solutions that allow sex workers to get off the streets more. Currently it's illegal for them to organise and operate in ways that would really make them safe.
- aqme28 4y ago
  On the contrary, sex workers would be a lot safer if they were able to turn to the police without fear of arrest. Decriminalizing their work makes them safer.
  - __alexs 4y ago
    I agree but somehow doubt that "we wont arrest you" will translate into "we will listen to you when you get robbed at gun point."
  - iamtheworstdev 4y ago
    this isn't decriminalizing their work. they still won't be able to go to the police. this just says that cops need another reason to harass them.
kilroy123 4y ago
Not OP, but yes I have actually been physically attacked by a prostitute on the street. We, a small group, and I were on our way back from a wedding. Just minding our business walking down the street to our hotel. This person was clearly on drugs and paranoid or something.

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