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It will not be Chromium only. It will be chromium and safari and it already is. Apple will most likely never open up unless forced, which usually sucks but is a

It will not be Chromium only. It will be chromium and safari and it already is. Apple will most likely never open up unless forced, which usually sucks but is a good thing due to the monopoly of the market. Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly because of the horrible leadership at Mozilla. I want to use Firefox and promote it but every time I think they've changed Mozilla does something new that boils my blood. You can donate to Mozilla, but not directly to Firefox and they seem to spend a lot of money on political projects. It's a 'get woke, go broke' situation and I have watched the fall of Mozilla in real time over the past years. I really wish Mozilla changed focus, I would gladly pay for Firefox+ or something if I knew that the money went to Firefox development and not to some racist white male hate project. So I'll continue using Brave and hope for the best, the future the author is talking about is basically already here.

rapnie 4y ago
Still, I do a lot of browsing the web and did not encounter broken pages on Firefox, luckily.
- ecmascript 4y ago
  On the websites I work on I have stopped testing on Firefox for the most part. I do testing once in a while, but I'd rather spend the time to make the site more accessible since it's a larger group than Firefox users.
  - gostsamo 4y ago
    So, how should I feel as a blind user who uses Firefox? :)
    - ecmascript 4y ago
      Happy that I use my time to try to help your disability and make your life easier rather than make sure that a web browser that hardly anyone uses work 100% correctly. Surely, most of the time Firefox will work just fine or at least good enough and by that standard I am sure that a site that has put some focus for it being easier to read with a screen reader is more important?
      - gostsamo 4y ago
        Maybe so, but another option is that the main functionality of the website tells me to use Chrome in a vary accessible way. :) Don't take it like I'm trying to be snarky, it was just funny to be in two minorities with contradicting significance for the developer.
  - harry8 4y ago
    If you abandon stanards which requires testing with different implementations you absolutely abandon acessibility for vastly more people in the future, imho.
  - postalrat 4y ago
    You want accessibility but don't want to test for it.
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Santosh83 4y ago
> Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly because of the horrible leadership at Mozilla. I want to use Firefox and promote it but every time I think they've changed Mozilla does something new that boils my blood. This is repeated ad nauseum on this site and needs to be called out. The Mozilla management may be rather self serving but Firefox is a fine browser and more than viable alternative to Chrome. The reason they're losing market share is because Chrome is bundled everywhere as default, not just Android, but often as part of desktop Windows too, by OEM. And now Edge, which is Chromium under the skin, is the default on MS Windows. So Firefox is used only by those who specifically seek it out, which means just a small portion of the tech community.
- dr-detroit 4y ago
- ecmascript 4y ago
  Yes but before the tech community was all fire for Firefox. IT-guys installed it on work computers, school computers etc. We would recommend it to our families and install it for our less techy family when they would need our assistance. Firefox had the IT-sector with them. I think this does a lot for spreading the usage. Even just one IT-guy can probably give Firefox hundreds of users. Now, this is no longer the case and increasingly they have not only just been just as good or worse than chromium but they have gone out and actively angered a lot of their core user base with political things. It is a fine browser, I haven't said anything else. It is the leadership that is bad. I would definitely be one of their strongest promoters if Brendan Eich were CEO. But no, they kicked him out for a bs reason and employed a PC-dictator that fires most of the company and gives herself a promotion even though the usage is falling drastically. Then they post shit like this: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-community-and-collaboration/queering-mozfest-challenging-expectations-of-normal https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-commun... and fund people like: https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 If you consistently support specific political views it's not strange that the people who do not support these views will stop seeking them out and start recommending other browsers, how good Firefox may be doesn't really matter. They have turned Mozilla from a tech company to an activist company and now they will have to reap what they have sowed.

rapnie 4y ago

Still, I do a lot of browsing the web and did not encounter broken pages on Firefox, luckily.

ecmascript 4y ago
On the websites I work on I have stopped testing on Firefox for the most part. I do testing once in a while, but I'd rather spend the time to make the site more accessible since it's a larger group than Firefox users.
- gostsamo 4y ago
  So, how should I feel as a blind user who uses Firefox? :)
  - ecmascript 4y ago
    Happy that I use my time to try to help your disability and make your life easier rather than make sure that a web browser that hardly anyone uses work 100% correctly. Surely, most of the time Firefox will work just fine or at least good enough and by that standard I am sure that a site that has put some focus for it being easier to read with a screen reader is more important?
    - gostsamo 4y ago
      Maybe so, but another option is that the main functionality of the website tells me to use Chrome in a vary accessible way. :) Don't take it like I'm trying to be snarky, it was just funny to be in two minorities with contradicting significance for the developer.
- harry8 4y ago
  If you abandon stanards which requires testing with different implementations you absolutely abandon acessibility for vastly more people in the future, imho.
- postalrat 4y ago
  You want accessibility but don't want to test for it.

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Santosh83 4y ago

> Firefox is responsible for such a low percentage it's sad (the stats I have for the sites I work on it's usually on the 1-2% range). I think it's mainly because of the horrible leadership at Mozilla. I want to use Firefox and promote it but every time I think they've changed Mozilla does something new that boils my blood. This is repeated ad nauseum on this site and needs to be called out. The Mozilla management may be rather self serving but Firefox is a fine browser and more than viable alternative to Chrome. The reason they're losing market share is because Chrome is bundled everywhere as default, not just Android, but often as part of desktop Windows too, by OEM. And now Edge, which is Chromium under the skin, is the default on MS Windows. So Firefox is used only by those who specifically seek it out, which means just a small portion of the tech community.

dr-detroit 4y ago
ecmascript 4y ago
Yes but before the tech community was all fire for Firefox. IT-guys installed it on work computers, school computers etc. We would recommend it to our families and install it for our less techy family when they would need our assistance. Firefox had the IT-sector with them. I think this does a lot for spreading the usage. Even just one IT-guy can probably give Firefox hundreds of users. Now, this is no longer the case and increasingly they have not only just been just as good or worse than chromium but they have gone out and actively angered a lot of their core user base with political things. It is a fine browser, I haven't said anything else. It is the leadership that is bad. I would definitely be one of their strongest promoters if Brendan Eich were CEO. But no, they kicked him out for a bs reason and employed a PC-dictator that fires most of the company and gives herself a promotion even though the usage is falling drastically. Then they post shit like this: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplatforming/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-community-and-collaboration/queering-mozfest-challenging-expectations-of-normal https://book.mozillafestival.org/10-years-of-activism-commun... and fund people like: https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 https://www.mozillapulse.org/profile/3116 If you consistently support specific political views it's not strange that the people who do not support these views will stop seeking them out and start recommending other browsers, how good Firefox may be doesn't really matter. They have turned Mozilla from a tech company to an activist company and now they will have to reap what they have sowed.