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Why is no one trying to kick Qatar out of the Swift network?

pydry 4y ago
It's not a rival empire.
seper8 4y ago
Probably the fact that it's not at war with one of our "allies". And because it's not threatening to use nuclear weapons, bombing civilians, taking children hostage, disrupting food supply chains...
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Saudi was doing quite a few of those things
- krageon 4y ago
  The middle east isn't exactly a garden full of fruit and sunshine.
  - seper8 4y ago
    I don't think that whataboutism is helping, do you?
    - krageon 4y ago
      You said explicitly "it's because it's not doing these terrible things", but it is doing terrible things (like practicing slavery). Clearly those are not the reason.
butterfly771 4y ago
Because it has oil.
dr_hooo 4y ago
Let's not pretend that Russia got kicked out due to their less than ideal stance on gay rights, freedom of the press or straight up murders of dissidents in foreign countries. Mounting a full on invasion of a neighboring country is not the same.
- someweirdperson 4y ago
  Indirectly they did. Let's consider this hypothetical case: Russia as fully established democracy with all individual freemdoms anyone can think of. Then Russia invades Ukraine, e.g. to fight corruption there, or for the rights of minorities. In that case, would Ukrain fight back the same they do in reality? Large part of their motivation is not to end up in the non-free Russian system. But what if the agressor does not intend to remove freedom? Without significant resistance, the west would not have had time to react to support. Media would not help people to form an oppinion that support is needed. It would be over quickly, soon forgotten like Crimea, and Russia not kicked out if swift. Therefore, Russia got kicked out of swift due to lack of democracy, human rights etc. Of corse they needed to start a war, too, but neither war nor lack of freedoms alone would not have been sufficient.
  - krageon 4y ago
    > But what if the agressor does not intend to remove freedom? If you invade another country this is not the tone you will be setting. > Russia got kicked out of swift due to lack of democracy, human rights etc. Russia got kicked out of Swift because the US believed it would make them capitulate. Now it's just another diplomatic disaster in a long, long line of disasters perpetrated by the US. Therefore, I must conclude Russia got kicked out of Swift because the US did not like them and had (to them) good pretext to do so.
theowwruoi34 4y ago
- yessirwhatever 4y ago
  Sorry, I don't speak nihilism.
asdfataway2 4y ago

It's not a rival empire.

Probably the fact that it's not at war with one of our "allies". And because it's not threatening to use nuclear weapons, bombing civilians, taking children hostage, disrupting food supply chains...

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
Saudi was doing quite a few of those things
krageon 4y ago
The middle east isn't exactly a garden full of fruit and sunshine.
- seper8 4y ago
  I don't think that whataboutism is helping, do you?
  - krageon 4y ago
    You said explicitly "it's because it's not doing these terrible things", but it is doing terrible things (like practicing slavery). Clearly those are not the reason.

butterfly771 4y ago

Because it has oil.

dr_hooo 4y ago

Let's not pretend that Russia got kicked out due to their less than ideal stance on gay rights, freedom of the press or straight up murders of dissidents in foreign countries. Mounting a full on invasion of a neighboring country is not the same.

someweirdperson 4y ago
Indirectly they did. Let's consider this hypothetical case: Russia as fully established democracy with all individual freemdoms anyone can think of. Then Russia invades Ukraine, e.g. to fight corruption there, or for the rights of minorities. In that case, would Ukrain fight back the same they do in reality? Large part of their motivation is not to end up in the non-free Russian system. But what if the agressor does not intend to remove freedom? Without significant resistance, the west would not have had time to react to support. Media would not help people to form an oppinion that support is needed. It would be over quickly, soon forgotten like Crimea, and Russia not kicked out if swift. Therefore, Russia got kicked out of swift due to lack of democracy, human rights etc. Of corse they needed to start a war, too, but neither war nor lack of freedoms alone would not have been sufficient.
- krageon 4y ago
  > But what if the agressor does not intend to remove freedom? If you invade another country this is not the tone you will be setting. > Russia got kicked out of swift due to lack of democracy, human rights etc. Russia got kicked out of Swift because the US believed it would make them capitulate. Now it's just another diplomatic disaster in a long, long line of disasters perpetrated by the US. Therefore, I must conclude Russia got kicked out of Swift because the US did not like them and had (to them) good pretext to do so.

theowwruoi34 4y ago

yessirwhatever 4y ago
Sorry, I don't speak nihilism.

asdfataway2 4y ago