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how they can know? besides forbidding dating apps i don't think police officers will sit in the bars to make sure no one is going home with someone they just me

how they can know? besides forbidding dating apps i don't think police officers will sit in the bars to make sure no one is going home with someone they just met. though the rules there are quite strict due to the fact this is islamic state

crote 4y ago
Don't worry, drinking and partying is outlawed too. And they will absolutely check. Can't provide proof of marriage? Straight to jail it is!
- runnerup 4y ago
  Doha has areas set aside for drinking, bars, etc. They don’t enforce rules about sex between tourists / western expats unless someone involved brings it directly to law enforcements attention and asks for their intervention. Don’t let anyone know you’re gay or the victim of sexual assault. But consenting sex between two middle class non-Muslims behind closed doors is a complete non issue.
  - Agamus 4y ago
    The fact that there is any confusion about this, (and clearly there is!), makes this an issue. For my part, I would never travel to a middle eastern country for any reason, specifically to avoid the possibility that something I never suspected could be an issue, becomes an issue.
  - vasco 4y ago
    > But consenting sex between two middle class non-Muslims behind closed doors is a complete non issue. > unless someone involved brings it directly to law enforcements attention and asks for their intervention. Sure sounds like it. This looks like a sort of dystopian version of the quote: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him". Meaning everything is non issue until you have problems with someone, at which point they can just put you in jail because you've been willingly breaking the law even though it was a "non issue". Why anyone would choose to live under these conditions is beyond me.
    - elpescado 4y ago
      This. States that push such legislation are also likely to be corrupt. It's fine until you run into problems with someone that happens to be in power.
  - brutusborn 4y ago
    What about upper class non-muslims? :P
jleyank 4y ago
I would not take that bet. And you might find out that your embassy can’t help you if you break a known law.
serf 4y ago
>how they can know? Who cares, a) it's not really worth the risk of participating, let alone participating and then knowingly breaking rules, and b) no single person can ever have a good enough knowledge of the security systems of a state-level actor that they can confidently say that they aren't at risk. if it were me i'd be hesitant to take the risk of personally traveling there, let alone breaking their rules.
_trampeltier 4y ago
Ready to risk 7 years jail?
sshine 4y ago
> how they can know? This reminds me of the American boy who stole a poster in North Korea, after which he was imprisoned and presumably tortured for 15 months, and died a week after returning home, after having been in a coma for a year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40335169 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40335169 I could fear a few football fans are going to end up in the Qatari prison system because they don't understand that the consequences of their actions are different than in their home country. After all, how can they know?
- baisq 4y ago
  A 22 year old is a boy now?
  - l33t2328 4y ago
    I think so.
  - sshine 4y ago
    Yes. Simone De Beauvoir said "One is not born a woman, but becomes one". The idea is that "man" and "woman" are social roles you gradually grow into as you increase your responsibility for yourself and others. Things that may contribute towards becoming a man or woman are: Becoming a parent, becoming financially independent, becoming emotionally mature, participating in society on the level of your fellow grown-up peers, becoming fully grown. We will also use the term "young man". https://www.regain.us/advice/general/at-what-age-does-a-man-fully-emotionally-mature/ https://www.regain.us/advice/general/at-what-age-does-a-man-... > Some mental health professionals do not uphold the notion of age-based maturity. They assert that maturity has more to do with your background, values, and even biology than years alone. How you mature and the things you consider mature will vary based on your raise, neurological development, and cultural framework. Some cultures value autonomy more than emotional depth, and maturity will be marked by the ability to take care of oneself. Other cultures value emotional depth, and dependence is not seen as a pitfall but a lack of emotional intelligence.
    - dotancohen 4y ago
manojlds 4y ago
Read the article? It's about extra marital sex. So it includes people who have known each other for a long time but are just not married.
akudha 4y ago
lol. You’re assuming they’ll enforce the law truthfully (however stupid the law itself is). If they arrest some foreigners at random, claiming they broke some law, what are you going to do? Maybe they’ll think twice about messing with Americans or some other powerful country’s citizens, but what about other less powerful countries? Even if you do get the case thrown out, do you really wanna go through the Qatari legal system? Get harassed by sexually repressed cops, especially if you are a woman? The most sensible thing to do is stay home and watch the games on TV. It is not worth going to fucked up places just to watch soccer, imho.
- progbits 4y ago
  Or better yet, don't even watch it and give them advertising revenue. There is plenty of entertainment around that doesn't support a medieval dictator.
elpescado 4y ago
Such laws have some far-fetched, surprising (at least for Westerners) and very creepy consequences. I've read a story about a Swedish girl that had been date-raped while staying on one of Gulf states. Having been used to European legal standards, she reported this incident to the police, only to find out that not only her case was dismissed, but she was found guilty of extramarital affair. Creepy as hell.
- Gnob 4y ago
  Excuse me but this is laughable, the logic not the case, I am sorry for the girl who've been through this but corruption exists everywhere and you're coming for far-fetched conclusions based on hearsay. Pro lgbtq+ laws have far worse consequences. A trans sexually assaulted an American man's daughter in the school bath then they triggered the dad in the court and when he couldn't take it anymore they accused him of DV, it was pretty traumatizing to even watch the video of the man raging for what happened to his daughter only to be accused of DV. another man got 16 years for merely taking down a flag and burning it, arson I know but also 16 years, I think nowadays you'd get around that for murder. I am sure I can bring you more examples of Sweden pulling children from their families if they suspect they're teaching them anything related to Islam as in to oppose going out on school trips or as in refusing to wear half naked clothes when going to school etc, heard a lot of them and kids where crying to get back to their family, I am sure an actually oppressed kid won't look so comfy and happy with his abusers or even get red face crying just wanting to get back to their families, the difference is, the media doesn't care about these because they're not seculars, me not hearing about these from a dude on the youtube I would have had no clue. Nothing creepy tho, as far as it's all under the umbrella of secular western standards.
  - lostdog 4y ago
    The "trans" student is a kindergartner who doesn't identify as trans, and the assault likely didn't happen: https://decaturish.com/2018/10/u-s-department-of-education-investigating-claim-transgender-oakhurst-elementary-student-committed-assault/ https://decaturish.com/2018/10/u-s-department-of-education-i... The flag burning is a problem with over-imprisoning, that is widely regarded as a big problem with America, and I'm not sure why pro-lgbtq+ laws are an issue here. I didn't bother to try to research your rant about Sweden. EDIT: If you're talking about this other event, the student doesn't appear to be trans either, but went into the girls' bathroom despite identifying as male: https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/26/teen-convicted-in-sexual-assault-of-stone-bridge-student/ https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/26/teen-convicted-in-sexual-a...
danamit 4y ago
They will respond to complaints. Say you go to your Airbnb, walk the stairs with a woman that could look like a sex worker, the neighbors will consider that disrespectful to be done "in front of their kids", and they will call the police on you. However not sure if that's enough to warrant the police entering your house, so they might just talk to you and ask you to be considerate or give you a warning.
nickfromseattle 4y ago
When I was in college, our dorms had a 'night desk' immediately after you entered the dorm to keep out criminals. Two people would sit there all night, and you had to manually 'check in' with them to be allowed to return to your room. In actuality, it was a small rural college town with minimal criminal activity, and the night desk was used to catch, arrest, and fine college students returning to their dorm to sleep after a night of drinking. Qatar will likely enlist hotels to police this law.

crote 4y ago

Don't worry, drinking and partying is outlawed too. And they will absolutely check. Can't provide proof of marriage? Straight to jail it is!

runnerup 4y ago
Doha has areas set aside for drinking, bars, etc. They don’t enforce rules about sex between tourists / western expats unless someone involved brings it directly to law enforcements attention and asks for their intervention. Don’t let anyone know you’re gay or the victim of sexual assault. But consenting sex between two middle class non-Muslims behind closed doors is a complete non issue.
- Agamus 4y ago
  The fact that there is any confusion about this, (and clearly there is!), makes this an issue. For my part, I would never travel to a middle eastern country for any reason, specifically to avoid the possibility that something I never suspected could be an issue, becomes an issue.
- vasco 4y ago
  > But consenting sex between two middle class non-Muslims behind closed doors is a complete non issue. > unless someone involved brings it directly to law enforcements attention and asks for their intervention. Sure sounds like it. This looks like a sort of dystopian version of the quote: "If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him". Meaning everything is non issue until you have problems with someone, at which point they can just put you in jail because you've been willingly breaking the law even though it was a "non issue". Why anyone would choose to live under these conditions is beyond me.
  - elpescado 4y ago
    This. States that push such legislation are also likely to be corrupt. It's fine until you run into problems with someone that happens to be in power.
- brutusborn 4y ago
  What about upper class non-muslims? :P

jleyank 4y ago

I would not take that bet. And you might find out that your embassy can’t help you if you break a known law.

serf 4y ago

>how they can know? Who cares, a) it's not really worth the risk of participating, let alone participating and then knowingly breaking rules, and b) no single person can ever have a good enough knowledge of the security systems of a state-level actor that they can confidently say that they aren't at risk. if it were me i'd be hesitant to take the risk of personally traveling there, let alone breaking their rules.

_trampeltier 4y ago

Ready to risk 7 years jail?

sshine 4y ago

> how they can know? This reminds me of the American boy who stole a poster in North Korea, after which he was imprisoned and presumably tortured for 15 months, and died a week after returning home, after having been in a coma for a year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40335169 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40335169 I could fear a few football fans are going to end up in the Qatari prison system because they don't understand that the consequences of their actions are different than in their home country. After all, how can they know?

baisq 4y ago
A 22 year old is a boy now?
- l33t2328 4y ago
  I think so.
- sshine 4y ago
  Yes. Simone De Beauvoir said "One is not born a woman, but becomes one". The idea is that "man" and "woman" are social roles you gradually grow into as you increase your responsibility for yourself and others. Things that may contribute towards becoming a man or woman are: Becoming a parent, becoming financially independent, becoming emotionally mature, participating in society on the level of your fellow grown-up peers, becoming fully grown. We will also use the term "young man". https://www.regain.us/advice/general/at-what-age-does-a-man-fully-emotionally-mature/ https://www.regain.us/advice/general/at-what-age-does-a-man-... > Some mental health professionals do not uphold the notion of age-based maturity. They assert that maturity has more to do with your background, values, and even biology than years alone. How you mature and the things you consider mature will vary based on your raise, neurological development, and cultural framework. Some cultures value autonomy more than emotional depth, and maturity will be marked by the ability to take care of oneself. Other cultures value emotional depth, and dependence is not seen as a pitfall but a lack of emotional intelligence.
  - dotancohen 4y ago

manojlds 4y ago

Read the article? It's about extra marital sex. So it includes people who have known each other for a long time but are just not married.

akudha 4y ago

lol. You’re assuming they’ll enforce the law truthfully (however stupid the law itself is). If they arrest some foreigners at random, claiming they broke some law, what are you going to do? Maybe they’ll think twice about messing with Americans or some other powerful country’s citizens, but what about other less powerful countries? Even if you do get the case thrown out, do you really wanna go through the Qatari legal system? Get harassed by sexually repressed cops, especially if you are a woman? The most sensible thing to do is stay home and watch the games on TV. It is not worth going to fucked up places just to watch soccer, imho.

progbits 4y ago
Or better yet, don't even watch it and give them advertising revenue. There is plenty of entertainment around that doesn't support a medieval dictator.

elpescado 4y ago

Such laws have some far-fetched, surprising (at least for Westerners) and very creepy consequences. I've read a story about a Swedish girl that had been date-raped while staying on one of Gulf states. Having been used to European legal standards, she reported this incident to the police, only to find out that not only her case was dismissed, but she was found guilty of extramarital affair. Creepy as hell.

Gnob 4y ago
Excuse me but this is laughable, the logic not the case, I am sorry for the girl who've been through this but corruption exists everywhere and you're coming for far-fetched conclusions based on hearsay. Pro lgbtq+ laws have far worse consequences. A trans sexually assaulted an American man's daughter in the school bath then they triggered the dad in the court and when he couldn't take it anymore they accused him of DV, it was pretty traumatizing to even watch the video of the man raging for what happened to his daughter only to be accused of DV. another man got 16 years for merely taking down a flag and burning it, arson I know but also 16 years, I think nowadays you'd get around that for murder. I am sure I can bring you more examples of Sweden pulling children from their families if they suspect they're teaching them anything related to Islam as in to oppose going out on school trips or as in refusing to wear half naked clothes when going to school etc, heard a lot of them and kids where crying to get back to their family, I am sure an actually oppressed kid won't look so comfy and happy with his abusers or even get red face crying just wanting to get back to their families, the difference is, the media doesn't care about these because they're not seculars, me not hearing about these from a dude on the youtube I would have had no clue. Nothing creepy tho, as far as it's all under the umbrella of secular western standards.
- lostdog 4y ago
  The "trans" student is a kindergartner who doesn't identify as trans, and the assault likely didn't happen: https://decaturish.com/2018/10/u-s-department-of-education-investigating-claim-transgender-oakhurst-elementary-student-committed-assault/ https://decaturish.com/2018/10/u-s-department-of-education-i... The flag burning is a problem with over-imprisoning, that is widely regarded as a big problem with America, and I'm not sure why pro-lgbtq+ laws are an issue here. I didn't bother to try to research your rant about Sweden. EDIT: If you're talking about this other event, the student doesn't appear to be trans either, but went into the girls' bathroom despite identifying as male: https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/26/teen-convicted-in-sexual-assault-of-stone-bridge-student/ https://loudounnow.com/2021/10/26/teen-convicted-in-sexual-a...

danamit 4y ago

They will respond to complaints. Say you go to your Airbnb, walk the stairs with a woman that could look like a sex worker, the neighbors will consider that disrespectful to be done "in front of their kids", and they will call the police on you. However not sure if that's enough to warrant the police entering your house, so they might just talk to you and ask you to be considerate or give you a warning.

nickfromseattle 4y ago

When I was in college, our dorms had a 'night desk' immediately after you entered the dorm to keep out criminals. Two people would sit there all night, and you had to manually 'check in' with them to be allowed to return to your room. In actuality, it was a small rural college town with minimal criminal activity, and the night desk was used to catch, arrest, and fine college students returning to their dorm to sleep after a night of drinking. Qatar will likely enlist hotels to police this law.