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As an Argentinean, we can get it for around USD 9.5k, but it lacks many basic features. It can't even go faster than 40 miles per hour / 65 km/h, so it can't re

by gzalo 4y ago

As an Argentinean, we can get it for around USD 9.5k, but it lacks many basic features. It can't even go faster than 40 miles per hour / 65 km/h, so it can't really drive on freeways. It doesn't even have a trunk, so not really useful for groceries either (see https://youtu.be/B5_A2F_cDNI?t=139 https://youtu.be/B5_A2F_cDNI?t=139) No airbags either, but at those speeds it's probably not as useful (at least that's what they imply in its FAQs). Remember that the minimum wage here is around USD 200, so it's quite expensive as well. I'd rather get an ebike/scooter/used car and use it for longer trips. It's like an enclosed golf kart that could be usefuly for residents of gated communities or small cities (not sure how it would handle in cities with hills like SF though :P) No one seems to mention that it appears to be a copy of a chinese "Today Sunshine M1", but at 2.5x the cost :(

baisq 4y ago
This is like the Venezuelan Vergatario. A Communist government selling a Chinese rebranded product as a national product.
- kragen 4y ago
  In Argentine Spanish "verga" means "dick" (commonly in the metaphorical meaning "useless" or "annoying"), and "-tario" is a suffix meaning "recipient of" (an action), like English "-ee"—for example when leasing a house, the lessor is the "locator" and the lessee is the "locatario". This gives the amusing reading "recipient of dicking" to "Vergatario". So I don't think the Venezuelan cellphone would sell well here under that name.
xboxnolifes 4y ago
> It doesn't even have a trunk, so not really useful for groceries either Is this usually a limiting factor for people? I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk.
- zdragnar 4y ago
  It depends on how large a family you are shopping for, and if you need to bring little kids with you when you go. A family trip without a trunk means no room at all for groceries.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    Sure it's a limiting factor if you're bringing the whole family grocery shopping, but that's probably less than 5% of all car users.
- the_watcher 4y ago
  This car looks small enough that it doesn’t have a backseat, so it’s just the passenger seat available.
  - karaterobot 4y ago
    It says it fits 4 people, though some of those words should probably be in quotation marks. Probably has a tiny back seat.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk. Why? Isn't it easier to a access the trunk?
  - jjulius 4y ago
    The distance between the driver door and the passenger door (on the same side of the car) is shorter than the walk from the driver door to the trunk. If I've got just one or two bags of groceries, I'll toss 'em on the backseat. An entire cart-full of groceries is a whole 'nother story...
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    It's just what my parents did, so it's what I do. It's no harder to access than a trunk on a four-door car.
rasz 4y ago
>copy of a chinese "Today Sunshine M1" copy as in someone in Argentina Reverse engineered Chinese EV and is manufacturing it? or rebadge of Chinese made car while claiming to be "100% Argentine car" like that scam https://www.thelocal.se/20220129/hyped-swedish-car-start-up-passed-off-chinese-ev-as-new-model-zero/ https://www.thelocal.se/20220129/hyped-swedish-car-start-up-...
- adolfojp 4y ago
  It looks almost exactly like the Sunshine M1 but with a slightly different body kit.
  - walrus01 4y ago
    this reminds me of the companies that have claimed to be the "manufacturer" of an electric motorcycle but are in fact importing a knocked down kit of electric motorcycle parts from an alibaba vendor in china.
    - sudosysgen 4y ago
      I mean, if they make the frame themselves, I don't see the issue. It's like saying that the the first Buells weren't made by Buell because they had a Harley engine and Ohlins suspension.
      - walrus01 4y ago
        most of them import the frame too, the difference is on the decals and maybe some plastic body pieces only
- 908B64B197 4y ago
  Knowing Argentina's history with currency control, parallels economies and punitive import duties, it's probably the later where some insiders are pocketing the difference by claiming the car is "made in Argentina" (but is illegally imported from China). If you can't compete, slap duties!
jxf 4y ago
> Remember that the minimum wage here is around USD 200 Q: 200 USD over what time period?
- giovannibonetti 4y ago
  Probably monthly
- timbit42 4y ago
  Maybe meant $2.00 USD per hour?
  - kragen 4y ago
    No, Argentine wages are given per month, not per hour.
    - xeromal 4y ago
      Are they paid per month as well? I've always thought that is an ideal way to receive wages. Pay all bills due for the month and live off the rest.
      - kragen 4y ago
        They are, but typically wages are paid after working, rather than beforehand. So paying wages monthly rather than, for example, twice a month, amounts to an interest-free loan of two weeks' worth of wages by the employee to their employer, which to me seems unjust. (Thus the Biblical injunction to pay your workers before their sweat has dried.) This interest-free loan is particularly galling when we're experiencing 6% inflation per month, so your wages are worth 3% less when you get them.
        xeromal 4y ago
        Who gets paid before working? I haven't seen that at least here in the states I've worked in the US. Usually you work to the pay period and receive the prorated amount of days you worked. Sometimes you even have to work for two pay periods which can equate to misery if you haven't saved up. lol. Edit: I reread your comment and understand now! Sorry about that.
forinti 4y ago
Most of my trips are going to work, going to the gym, taking the kids to school. This car would be perfect for these trips.
Schroedingersat 4y ago
It has a second seat. No reason you need two people to go shopping. I'm just glad someone, somewhere is considering a sane vehicle rather than this ridiculous size/speed arms race. The many, many costs of doing 80-120km/h are nowhere near worth halving the travel time (at best).
kragen 4y ago
The price quoted on https://movilidad.coradir.com.ar/tito/ https://movilidad.coradir.com.ar/tito/ is $2 120 250 or US$16 500, and indeed at the AR$220 dólar blue the peso price works out to about US$9600 today. I wonder why this price discrepancy wasn't mentioned in the "Argentinareports" article? Maybe they're just reprinting a company press release, complete with obviously photoshopped photos of the truck? As for groceries, usually if those aren't local I carry them home on the bus or in an Uber, so a passenger seat to stack them on would be a nice upgrade.
rob74 4y ago
> No one seems to mention that it appears to be a copy of a chinese "Today Sunshine M1" Ah, and here I was thinking "not only the Chinese can rip off the design of better-known brands". That explains why the TITO looks like the result of a liaison between a Smart and a Mini. Also, the TITA truck has a "radiator grill" that just screams "BMW"...
pipeline_peak 4y ago
> No airbags either, but at those speeds it's probably not as useful Unless someone crashes into one of these mini fridges.

by gzalo 4y ago

baisq 4y ago

This is like the Venezuelan Vergatario. A Communist government selling a Chinese rebranded product as a national product.

kragen 4y ago
In Argentine Spanish "verga" means "dick" (commonly in the metaphorical meaning "useless" or "annoying"), and "-tario" is a suffix meaning "recipient of" (an action), like English "-ee"—for example when leasing a house, the lessor is the "locator" and the lessee is the "locatario". This gives the amusing reading "recipient of dicking" to "Vergatario". So I don't think the Venezuelan cellphone would sell well here under that name.

xboxnolifes 4y ago

> It doesn't even have a trunk, so not really useful for groceries either Is this usually a limiting factor for people? I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk.

zdragnar 4y ago
It depends on how large a family you are shopping for, and if you need to bring little kids with you when you go. A family trip without a trunk means no room at all for groceries.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  Sure it's a limiting factor if you're bringing the whole family grocery shopping, but that's probably less than 5% of all car users.
the_watcher 4y ago
This car looks small enough that it doesn’t have a backseat, so it’s just the passenger seat available.
- karaterobot 4y ago
  It says it fits 4 people, though some of those words should probably be in quotation marks. Probably has a tiny back seat.
chrisseaton 4y ago
> I've always put my groceries on the back seats or back floor, even if I have a trunk. Why? Isn't it easier to a access the trunk?
- jjulius 4y ago
  The distance between the driver door and the passenger door (on the same side of the car) is shorter than the walk from the driver door to the trunk. If I've got just one or two bags of groceries, I'll toss 'em on the backseat. An entire cart-full of groceries is a whole 'nother story...
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  It's just what my parents did, so it's what I do. It's no harder to access than a trunk on a four-door car.

rasz 4y ago

>copy of a chinese "Today Sunshine M1" copy as in someone in Argentina Reverse engineered Chinese EV and is manufacturing it? or rebadge of Chinese made car while claiming to be "100% Argentine car" like that scam https://www.thelocal.se/20220129/hyped-swedish-car-start-up-passed-off-chinese-ev-as-new-model-zero/ https://www.thelocal.se/20220129/hyped-swedish-car-start-up-...

adolfojp 4y ago
It looks almost exactly like the Sunshine M1 but with a slightly different body kit.
- walrus01 4y ago
  this reminds me of the companies that have claimed to be the "manufacturer" of an electric motorcycle but are in fact importing a knocked down kit of electric motorcycle parts from an alibaba vendor in china.
  - sudosysgen 4y ago
    I mean, if they make the frame themselves, I don't see the issue. It's like saying that the the first Buells weren't made by Buell because they had a Harley engine and Ohlins suspension.
    - walrus01 4y ago
      most of them import the frame too, the difference is on the decals and maybe some plastic body pieces only
908B64B197 4y ago
Knowing Argentina's history with currency control, parallels economies and punitive import duties, it's probably the later where some insiders are pocketing the difference by claiming the car is "made in Argentina" (but is illegally imported from China). If you can't compete, slap duties!

jxf 4y ago

> Remember that the minimum wage here is around USD 200 Q: 200 USD over what time period?

giovannibonetti 4y ago
Probably monthly
timbit42 4y ago
Maybe meant $2.00 USD per hour?
- kragen 4y ago
  No, Argentine wages are given per month, not per hour.
  - xeromal 4y ago
    Are they paid per month as well? I've always thought that is an ideal way to receive wages. Pay all bills due for the month and live off the rest.
    - kragen 4y ago
      They are, but typically wages are paid after working, rather than beforehand. So paying wages monthly rather than, for example, twice a month, amounts to an interest-free loan of two weeks' worth of wages by the employee to their employer, which to me seems unjust. (Thus the Biblical injunction to pay your workers before their sweat has dried.) This interest-free loan is particularly galling when we're experiencing 6% inflation per month, so your wages are worth 3% less when you get them.
      - xeromal 4y ago
        Who gets paid before working? I haven't seen that at least here in the states I've worked in the US. Usually you work to the pay period and receive the prorated amount of days you worked. Sometimes you even have to work for two pay periods which can equate to misery if you haven't saved up. lol. Edit: I reread your comment and understand now! Sorry about that.

forinti 4y ago

Most of my trips are going to work, going to the gym, taking the kids to school. This car would be perfect for these trips.

Schroedingersat 4y ago

It has a second seat. No reason you need two people to go shopping. I'm just glad someone, somewhere is considering a sane vehicle rather than this ridiculous size/speed arms race. The many, many costs of doing 80-120km/h are nowhere near worth halving the travel time (at best).

kragen 4y ago

The price quoted on https://movilidad.coradir.com.ar/tito/ https://movilidad.coradir.com.ar/tito/ is $2 120 250 or US$16 500, and indeed at the AR$220 dólar blue the peso price works out to about US$9600 today. I wonder why this price discrepancy wasn't mentioned in the "Argentinareports" article? Maybe they're just reprinting a company press release, complete with obviously photoshopped photos of the truck? As for groceries, usually if those aren't local I carry them home on the bus or in an Uber, so a passenger seat to stack them on would be a nice upgrade.

rob74 4y ago

> No one seems to mention that it appears to be a copy of a chinese "Today Sunshine M1" Ah, and here I was thinking "not only the Chinese can rip off the design of better-known brands". That explains why the TITO looks like the result of a liaison between a Smart and a Mini. Also, the TITA truck has a "radiator grill" that just screams "BMW"...

pipeline_peak 4y ago

> No airbags either, but at those speeds it's probably not as useful Unless someone crashes into one of these mini fridges.