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I'm sometimes kind of surprised at how often I see people say they don't mind it. It's by far the tool I like the least out of everything I've used at any job I

I'm sometimes kind of surprised at how often I see people say they don't mind it. It's by far the tool I like the least out of everything I've used at any job I've ever been in.

kzrdude 4y ago
I don't mind it. Maybe because I only peek into it about once per week or so, so we don't really drive daily work using it.
- codebolt 4y ago
  Same, I check into Jira once per day, max. It's useful to give an overview of what everyone is working on in the "Kanban" meetings twice weekly. I use quotes because we really don't follow any strict rules or structures, everyone just kind of does what needs to be done to keep things moving forward.
  - hinkley 4y ago
    Maybe a couple times a day for me, but mostly if I somehow have two things going at once. Meanwhile I’m battling Bamboo regularly, and I hate everyone who has ever worked on that crime against humanity.
bpodgursky 4y ago
The UX is annoying as hell but I am almost never unable to do what I need to do. I can't say that for all SaaS tools.
pydry 4y ago
It's quite easy to have a minimized exposure to jira as a developer. I hate its guts but if my interactions are limited to writing a few tickets and changing statuses then its awfulness is more somebody else's problem and it doesnt bother me nearly as much.
happytoexplain 4y ago
If it's set up properly, it's easy for developers to browse the tickets, log work on them, and update their status - and that's all they will need to do. So, from their perspective, it's fine. However, getting to that point is unnecessarily difficult, and if you fail, that difficulty spills over into the developer experience.
hinkley 4y ago
I would fight you about how Bamboo is the worst tool I’ve had to use, but since they’re both from Atlassian that feels a bit like splitting hairs.
2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
It's a tool for the boring part of software engineering- I don't expect it to spark joy. I wish it were faster, scaled the full width of my monitor, allowed external editors, etc. Overall it gets the job done well. Everything else that I've used is horrible which makes it the best in my experience but that's still not saying much.
- tommoor 4y ago
  But what if it _did_ spark joy… https://linear.app/readme https://linear.app/readme
  - camer0 4y ago
    We use Linear at my job too - it's very smooth and easy to use and certainly does spark joy
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
    This looks really nice but it scares me to think of what my large (60,000+ employees) employer would do to it. Thanks for sharing though- I'm going to check this out.
  - jbluepolarbear 4y ago
    I use linear and I hate it more than jira. It’s jira with all the useful production features removed, making it useless for large teams and qa teams. Beyond simple task tracking it has been a chore to use.
  - conradfr 4y ago
    We use it at my current work and I'm not impressed. We even moved back some workflow steps to Notion because of lost work in the editor. Frankly, I miss the limited GitHub PM tools we used at my previous job. Even their one true limitation, no sub-issues, is very meh on Linear.
  - oehpr 4y ago
    I looked it over, but the properties provided prevent us from organizing and prioritizing the tickets on things that matter to us. Doesn't look like we can add properties to issues. So, if we have some kinda numerical metric, call it "foo", we can't ask linear to give us all foo's over 6. So if we wanted to do any kinda metrics, basically, we have to export our whole project as CSV and do the calculations there? I just checked the export system. It exports everything only. I don't think this is tenable for project management. I can see it work for a personal task list or a small team doing simple sprints. But... I wouldn't see it used beyond that. Maybe I'm off base on all this, I did just give the product a quick once over. If I missed ways to make all this work, then that's on me.
tormeh 4y ago
There's lots of worse shit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_software#Proprietary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_softwa.... I remember IBM ClearCase in particular as vile.
- ilc 4y ago
  Only if you toss in multi-site for fun. :)
jrib 4y ago
What tools do you like the most?
wyldfire 4y ago
I only use Jira for defect tracking and not project planning. In that regard it seems to be only slightly worse than Github/Gitlab's issue tracking. It'd be kinda nice if it supported Markdown but it's not a big deal. The only things I need it to do are: (1) record an archive of comments describing the progress on the issue's resolution, (2) be able to store attachments, (3) be able to cross-reference other issues. Maybe I have a really low bar? But it seems to do those without much problem and in my case it doesn't seem to be slow.
Tao3300 4y ago
I don't love it, but I sure hate it less than just about everything that came before it.
- anothernewdude 4y ago
  I'd prefer any kanban board app over jira.
grumple 4y ago
Jira is terrible until you try other tools for managing dev work.

I'm sometimes kind of surprised at how often I see people say they don't mind it. It's by far the tool I like the least out of everything I've used at any job I've ever been in.

kzrdude 4y ago

I don't mind it. Maybe because I only peek into it about once per week or so, so we don't really drive daily work using it.

codebolt 4y ago
Same, I check into Jira once per day, max. It's useful to give an overview of what everyone is working on in the "Kanban" meetings twice weekly. I use quotes because we really don't follow any strict rules or structures, everyone just kind of does what needs to be done to keep things moving forward.
- hinkley 4y ago
  Maybe a couple times a day for me, but mostly if I somehow have two things going at once. Meanwhile I’m battling Bamboo regularly, and I hate everyone who has ever worked on that crime against humanity.

bpodgursky 4y ago

The UX is annoying as hell but I am almost never unable to do what I need to do. I can't say that for all SaaS tools.

pydry 4y ago

It's quite easy to have a minimized exposure to jira as a developer. I hate its guts but if my interactions are limited to writing a few tickets and changing statuses then its awfulness is more somebody else's problem and it doesnt bother me nearly as much.

happytoexplain 4y ago

If it's set up properly, it's easy for developers to browse the tickets, log work on them, and update their status - and that's all they will need to do. So, from their perspective, it's fine. However, getting to that point is unnecessarily difficult, and if you fail, that difficulty spills over into the developer experience.

hinkley 4y ago

I would fight you about how Bamboo is the worst tool I’ve had to use, but since they’re both from Atlassian that feels a bit like splitting hairs.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago

It's a tool for the boring part of software engineering- I don't expect it to spark joy. I wish it were faster, scaled the full width of my monitor, allowed external editors, etc. Overall it gets the job done well. Everything else that I've used is horrible which makes it the best in my experience but that's still not saying much.

tommoor 4y ago
But what if it _did_ spark joy… https://linear.app/readme https://linear.app/readme
- camer0 4y ago
  We use Linear at my job too - it's very smooth and easy to use and certainly does spark joy
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  This looks really nice but it scares me to think of what my large (60,000+ employees) employer would do to it. Thanks for sharing though- I'm going to check this out.
- jbluepolarbear 4y ago
  I use linear and I hate it more than jira. It’s jira with all the useful production features removed, making it useless for large teams and qa teams. Beyond simple task tracking it has been a chore to use.
- conradfr 4y ago
  We use it at my current work and I'm not impressed. We even moved back some workflow steps to Notion because of lost work in the editor. Frankly, I miss the limited GitHub PM tools we used at my previous job. Even their one true limitation, no sub-issues, is very meh on Linear.
- oehpr 4y ago
  I looked it over, but the properties provided prevent us from organizing and prioritizing the tickets on things that matter to us. Doesn't look like we can add properties to issues. So, if we have some kinda numerical metric, call it "foo", we can't ask linear to give us all foo's over 6. So if we wanted to do any kinda metrics, basically, we have to export our whole project as CSV and do the calculations there? I just checked the export system. It exports everything only. I don't think this is tenable for project management. I can see it work for a personal task list or a small team doing simple sprints. But... I wouldn't see it used beyond that. Maybe I'm off base on all this, I did just give the product a quick once over. If I missed ways to make all this work, then that's on me.

tormeh 4y ago

There's lots of worse shit here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_software#Proprietary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_version-control_softwa.... I remember IBM ClearCase in particular as vile.

ilc 4y ago
Only if you toss in multi-site for fun. :)

jrib 4y ago

What tools do you like the most?

wyldfire 4y ago

I only use Jira for defect tracking and not project planning. In that regard it seems to be only slightly worse than Github/Gitlab's issue tracking. It'd be kinda nice if it supported Markdown but it's not a big deal. The only things I need it to do are: (1) record an archive of comments describing the progress on the issue's resolution, (2) be able to store attachments, (3) be able to cross-reference other issues. Maybe I have a really low bar? But it seems to do those without much problem and in my case it doesn't seem to be slow.

Tao3300 4y ago

I don't love it, but I sure hate it less than just about everything that came before it.

anothernewdude 4y ago
I'd prefer any kanban board app over jira.

grumple 4y ago

Jira is terrible until you try other tools for managing dev work.