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Absolutely agree. People with 10+ years, a good network and decent resume pop their head up above the parapet and get instantly mobbed with offers. They're on

Absolutely agree. People with 10+ years, a good network and decent resume pop their head up above the parapet and get instantly mobbed with offers. They're on the market 2 weeks, tops. No-one good is going to do a takehome just so the hiring team can rub their beards and feel superior while they pick over the code. That approach worked a few years ago, in today's recruitment bear market you don't pick the candidates, the candidates will pick you. We are having precisely the same trouble as you by the way - junior-heavy, but experienced folk are extremely thin on the ground, and we go from CV to offer within a week. One chap joined (for a few days) and left because he had started somewhere else at the same time - they won out. We're moving to 1-stage interviews, offer on the same day. Higher risk but we have no choice.

scruple 4y ago
> They're on the market 2 weeks, tops. My last search lasted 9 days from when I put out the signal to having interviewed (for 3 companies) and negotiated an offer and submitted my resignation and 2 weeks notice.
- dominotw 4y ago
  > My last search lasted 9 days i think you did disservice to yourself by optimizing for minimizing downtime between jobs. You should've played the field longer and gone for the highest bidder. I am 100% sure you are not getting paid your worth because no FAANG type company finishes the process in 1 week.
  - robocat 4y ago
    That is condescending: you are jumping to a conclusion and implying that the person you are answering makes stupid rash decisions. Without a lot more context you can’t know how sensible their decision is. Even with that context, why should your opinion be listened to, and who are you anyway to tell someone else how to run their life?
    - deleted 4y ago
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  - beachy 4y ago
    I am 100% sure there is no way you can actually be 100% sure about that.
  - dkersten 4y ago
    Some off ids don’t want to work for FAANG.
- justinlloyd 4y ago
  Three days. Three interviews. Three offers. Three short, brief chats about the problem. Done.
higeorge13 4y ago
I agree 100% and imo is the proper approach in such a market. I was trying to explain this to people that the market has changed and the hiring pipelines must be simplified and significantly shortened and i kept getting the opposite outcome, more rounds and more time to make an offer to good candidates and eventually "we cannot find anyone, keep looking". Companies keep their traditional pipelines with average time to hire time of 2+ months and think they will find and hire loyal people in this rapid market where people accept offers on top of others or with just a couple days or weeks in their new position. And they keep filtering others because "no culture fit", "not sure about this line of code in the take home assignment" and other nonsense.
pcthrowaway 4y ago
> We're moving to 1-stage interviews, offer on the same day. Higher risk but we have no choice Anecdotally, I've seen people actually been put off by this. Perhaps make it 2 interviews just to not seem desperate. It's not my own reaction, but I could see why people might think "They're really desperate, there must be something wrong there"
- culpable_pickle 4y ago
  Communication here is key. If the process is described well and reasons explained, I believe it could work just fine.
- techdragon 4y ago
  The counter to this is not extra interviews but increasing the importance of the people in the interview. A one pass, 60 minute interview with the CEO and/or CTO on the call tells me a lot more about the kind of company. One of the reasons I went independent consultant/freelancer is because I no longer face hiring bullshit like multiple interview rounds. I don’t charge to discuss the problems, sign an NDA if need be, and I get to talk frankly with both technical and business people to work out if I’m a good fit, zero pressure. I’ve turned down work and recommended other people I know would be better. I fit the “senior” role here and honestly I’d be ok with the 4hr take home on one condition… pay me. One tactic I know people are trying is to “flip” a freelance contractor by gradually offering work and then pitching the full time gig, convincing them to jump onboard when everyone already knows it’s a good fit and no one has d as any risks.
  - bythreads 4y ago
    I never understood why people are so dogged on hiring - just get a senior consultant - pay 2-3x and save the equity. it's faster and in the end the expenses level out (cost of hiring, 401, insurance etc.) Make the contract with 1 months notice both ways and it's pretty much for all intent and purpose a hiree
    - skeeter2020 4y ago
aledalgrande 4y ago
> One chap joined (for a few days) and left because he had started somewhere else at the same time - they won out. Wait what???
- lordnacho 4y ago
  I think this will get more common with remote working. Start a new role, then dump it if one of the other searches turns up a better one. I think FAANG has something to do with this too. They're often known to be slow in coming up with the offer, often seeming like they're not going to proceed. A friend started working at a startup, then got a top Google offer, dumped the startup for the better job that came in later.
  - aledalgrande 4y ago
    Yeah reputation is still a thing...
    - NSMutableSet 4y ago
      You should be happy for them.
      - aledalgrande 4y ago
        Let's see if you say the same thing when you interview 10+ candidates and you accept one like this, rejecting all the others since you filled the position.
        lordnacho 4y ago
        No different from the firm rescinding the offer once the candidate has turned down all his others. Plus it's asymmetric, the firm has other staff that can somewhat do the work, the employee has no income if the job is rescinded.
        4y ago

scruple 4y ago

> They're on the market 2 weeks, tops. My last search lasted 9 days from when I put out the signal to having interviewed (for 3 companies) and negotiated an offer and submitted my resignation and 2 weeks notice.

dominotw 4y ago
> My last search lasted 9 days i think you did disservice to yourself by optimizing for minimizing downtime between jobs. You should've played the field longer and gone for the highest bidder. I am 100% sure you are not getting paid your worth because no FAANG type company finishes the process in 1 week.
- robocat 4y ago
  That is condescending: you are jumping to a conclusion and implying that the person you are answering makes stupid rash decisions. Without a lot more context you can’t know how sensible their decision is. Even with that context, why should your opinion be listened to, and who are you anyway to tell someone else how to run their life?
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- beachy 4y ago
  I am 100% sure there is no way you can actually be 100% sure about that.
- dkersten 4y ago
  Some off ids don’t want to work for FAANG.
justinlloyd 4y ago
Three days. Three interviews. Three offers. Three short, brief chats about the problem. Done.

higeorge13 4y ago

I agree 100% and imo is the proper approach in such a market. I was trying to explain this to people that the market has changed and the hiring pipelines must be simplified and significantly shortened and i kept getting the opposite outcome, more rounds and more time to make an offer to good candidates and eventually "we cannot find anyone, keep looking". Companies keep their traditional pipelines with average time to hire time of 2+ months and think they will find and hire loyal people in this rapid market where people accept offers on top of others or with just a couple days or weeks in their new position. And they keep filtering others because "no culture fit", "not sure about this line of code in the take home assignment" and other nonsense.

pcthrowaway 4y ago

> We're moving to 1-stage interviews, offer on the same day. Higher risk but we have no choice Anecdotally, I've seen people actually been put off by this. Perhaps make it 2 interviews just to not seem desperate. It's not my own reaction, but I could see why people might think "They're really desperate, there must be something wrong there"

culpable_pickle 4y ago
Communication here is key. If the process is described well and reasons explained, I believe it could work just fine.
techdragon 4y ago
The counter to this is not extra interviews but increasing the importance of the people in the interview. A one pass, 60 minute interview with the CEO and/or CTO on the call tells me a lot more about the kind of company. One of the reasons I went independent consultant/freelancer is because I no longer face hiring bullshit like multiple interview rounds. I don’t charge to discuss the problems, sign an NDA if need be, and I get to talk frankly with both technical and business people to work out if I’m a good fit, zero pressure. I’ve turned down work and recommended other people I know would be better. I fit the “senior” role here and honestly I’d be ok with the 4hr take home on one condition… pay me. One tactic I know people are trying is to “flip” a freelance contractor by gradually offering work and then pitching the full time gig, convincing them to jump onboard when everyone already knows it’s a good fit and no one has d as any risks.
- bythreads 4y ago
  I never understood why people are so dogged on hiring - just get a senior consultant - pay 2-3x and save the equity. it's faster and in the end the expenses level out (cost of hiring, 401, insurance etc.) Make the contract with 1 months notice both ways and it's pretty much for all intent and purpose a hiree
  - skeeter2020 4y ago

aledalgrande 4y ago

> One chap joined (for a few days) and left because he had started somewhere else at the same time - they won out. Wait what???

lordnacho 4y ago
I think this will get more common with remote working. Start a new role, then dump it if one of the other searches turns up a better one. I think FAANG has something to do with this too. They're often known to be slow in coming up with the offer, often seeming like they're not going to proceed. A friend started working at a startup, then got a top Google offer, dumped the startup for the better job that came in later.
- aledalgrande 4y ago
  Yeah reputation is still a thing...
  - NSMutableSet 4y ago
    You should be happy for them.
    - aledalgrande 4y ago
      Let's see if you say the same thing when you interview 10+ candidates and you accept one like this, rejecting all the others since you filled the position.
      - lordnacho 4y ago
        No different from the firm rescinding the offer once the candidate has turned down all his others. Plus it's asymmetric, the firm has other staff that can somewhat do the work, the employee has no income if the job is rescinded.
        4y ago