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I am being polite in explaining the low-income perspective on devices like these. Looking at a device designed for low-income people who are trying to breathe h

by daenz 4y ago

I am being polite in explaining the low-income perspective on devices like these. Looking at a device designed for low-income people who are trying to breathe healthy air and saying, essentially, "it's ugly, I would never want that" is extremely tone deaf around why it exists in the first place: because desperate people need an inexpensive solution. If you feel shame from that alternate perspective, I would suggest it comes from within.

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- daenz 4y ago
  You're misquoting me. I never said they were extremely fortunate for choosing one model over the other, I said they were extremely fortunate for "being able to choose form over function." When wildfire season rolls around and air becomes very hazardous where I lived, local air purifiers of all kinds were completely sold out, and the box fan solution is all a lot of us had[0]. It's not just inexpensive, it's about availability of materials. >just to try to dunk on someone You're attributing negative intentions to my posts, which isn't appreciated. 0. https://twitter.com/seattlefire/status/1425260701568970752 https://twitter.com/seattlefire/status/1425260701568970752
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Are you talking about emergencies, or are you talking about "the low-income perspective"? Because you said you were doing the latter, and I was criticizing your words using that context. In that context, your words come across as judgemental. If you're actually talking about the former, then you chose your words pretty poorly.
    - daenz 4y ago
      The low-income people are often the most impacted when an emergency hits. I'm sure if someone had $1000 for an air purifier, they could get one the next day, in most circumstances. Though I'm not low income (now), I got a reminder of it when local materials were totally gone and I would have had to pay through the nose to keep my place breathable. It was bad. The hallways in our apartment building had a haze of smoke 24/7. Fortunately the city let everyone know about the box fan solution, so that's what we did. For me, being unprepared in a new city, and for low income people who aren't prepared, choosing form over function was a luxury.
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        > The low-income people are often the most impacted when an emergency hits. Yes, but it's not relevant to low-income people in general. For someone getting an air purifier in a normal situation, they can go for an ikea model about as well as any other solution. Especially considering the box fan uses a ton of power, costing money.
        daenz 4y ago
        >Especially considering the box fan uses a ton of power, costing money. box fan: $40 ikea: $70 box fan electricity: 73W x 24 x 365 x $0.11kWh = $70/year ikea electricity: 14W x 24 x 365 x $0.11kWh = $13/year Assuming 24/7 usage, in the first year you'd save $27, and in subsequent years, $57. But this isn't counting filters. You can get a much higher range of standard filters for a box fan, meaning you can run it much less and filter more. And when IKEA discontinues the product, you're SOL finding filters, so you have to buy something new, whereas you'll never have that problem with a box fan. All things considered, I think box fan would win on cost.

by daenz 4y ago

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daenz 4y ago
You're misquoting me. I never said they were extremely fortunate for choosing one model over the other, I said they were extremely fortunate for "being able to choose form over function." When wildfire season rolls around and air becomes very hazardous where I lived, local air purifiers of all kinds were completely sold out, and the box fan solution is all a lot of us had[0]. It's not just inexpensive, it's about availability of materials. >just to try to dunk on someone You're attributing negative intentions to my posts, which isn't appreciated. 0. https://twitter.com/seattlefire/status/1425260701568970752 https://twitter.com/seattlefire/status/1425260701568970752
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Are you talking about emergencies, or are you talking about "the low-income perspective"? Because you said you were doing the latter, and I was criticizing your words using that context. In that context, your words come across as judgemental. If you're actually talking about the former, then you chose your words pretty poorly.
  - daenz 4y ago
    The low-income people are often the most impacted when an emergency hits. I'm sure if someone had $1000 for an air purifier, they could get one the next day, in most circumstances. Though I'm not low income (now), I got a reminder of it when local materials were totally gone and I would have had to pay through the nose to keep my place breathable. It was bad. The hallways in our apartment building had a haze of smoke 24/7. Fortunately the city let everyone know about the box fan solution, so that's what we did. For me, being unprepared in a new city, and for low income people who aren't prepared, choosing form over function was a luxury.
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      > The low-income people are often the most impacted when an emergency hits. Yes, but it's not relevant to low-income people in general. For someone getting an air purifier in a normal situation, they can go for an ikea model about as well as any other solution. Especially considering the box fan uses a ton of power, costing money.
      - daenz 4y ago
        >Especially considering the box fan uses a ton of power, costing money. box fan: $40 ikea: $70 box fan electricity: 73W x 24 x 365 x $0.11kWh = $70/year ikea electricity: 14W x 24 x 365 x $0.11kWh = $13/year Assuming 24/7 usage, in the first year you'd save $27, and in subsequent years, $57. But this isn't counting filters. You can get a much higher range of standard filters for a box fan, meaning you can run it much less and filter more. And when IKEA discontinues the product, you're SOL finding filters, so you have to buy something new, whereas you'll never have that problem with a box fan. All things considered, I think box fan would win on cost.