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Apple's business is for the most part selling me things. They are not trying to capture all my data in order to drive their product. FB and Google are using my

Apple's business is for the most part selling me things. They are not trying to capture all my data in order to drive their product. FB and Google are using my data to sell to advertisers. With that said, I'm not a Google hater. For my personal ranking Apple > Google >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FB. And following that model I have Apple devices, use Google, and haven't logged into FB in years.

grumpyprole 4y ago
The business of "selling you things" as many and often as possible is a danger to the environment and future generations. There is 155 thousand tonnes per year of e-waste generated in the UK alone (source Gaurdian). The current situation is not sustainable. Apple are also masters of vendor lock-in, making it very difficult for people and businesses to leave the ecosystem.
- norman784 4y ago
  I think that you keep apple products longer than others, I kept my mbp retine 2013 till 2 years ago, iphones I change every 4 years or so (but they support for 5 years the mobile devices iirc), I bought in 10 years 2 apple tvs, while with google you can’t keep your device more than 2/3 years because of updates, most cheap laptops are thrown in a year or two. So I disagree with you, apple isn’t generating that much waste, but indeed they could generate less by opening the unsupported devices to install alternative OSes.
  - grumpyprole 4y ago
    > apple isn’t generating that much waste They shipped 1.65 billion devices in 2021. For the price we pay, we should be leasing them and Apple should be taking them back and properly recycling them.
- kergonath 4y ago
  > There is 155 thousand tonnes per year of e-waste generated in the UK alone How much of that is £15 Chinese no-brand rubbish compared to £1,000 phones? It sounds like barking up the wrong tree to me, there are hundreds of OEMs that produce disposable hardware, few of them end up supporting their devices as long as Apple or even Google (!)
  - grumpyprole 4y ago
    In the 2020 Apple claimed they had 49.88 percent of the UK market for mobile phones.
    - kergonath 4y ago
      Yes, but e-waste is much more than mobile phones.
      - grumpyprole 4y ago
        Mobile phones are at least 10% of all e-waste. But yes it's not just Apple, it's an industry wide problem. I'm sure that's what Cooke probably tells himself when he collects his 100 million yearly pay check. But since nobody likes government regulation, I just see the situation getting a whole lot worse.
UnpossibleJim 4y ago
Apple, as opposed to Google and Facebook, "don't capture your data" to sell their product. That's their brand, and it has made them millions. They do give your data without question to authorities, without a fight. These battles are costly and the bottom line is the bottom line and money > people when it comes to FB, Google and Apple =/ but that's the world we live in, so I can't really blame them. We reap what we sew. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-30/apple-meta-gave-user-data-to-hackers-who-forged-legal-requests https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-30/apple-met...
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  They do capture a lot of data for their own purposes though. They're not selling it to other parties but they sure capture it.
  - UnpossibleJim 4y ago
    I wasn't aware of this, TBH. Well that's a little disingenuous.
- zip1234 4y ago
  Apple sells search ads for their app store...

grumpyprole 4y ago

The business of "selling you things" as many and often as possible is a danger to the environment and future generations. There is 155 thousand tonnes per year of e-waste generated in the UK alone (source Gaurdian). The current situation is not sustainable. Apple are also masters of vendor lock-in, making it very difficult for people and businesses to leave the ecosystem.

norman784 4y ago
I think that you keep apple products longer than others, I kept my mbp retine 2013 till 2 years ago, iphones I change every 4 years or so (but they support for 5 years the mobile devices iirc), I bought in 10 years 2 apple tvs, while with google you can’t keep your device more than 2/3 years because of updates, most cheap laptops are thrown in a year or two. So I disagree with you, apple isn’t generating that much waste, but indeed they could generate less by opening the unsupported devices to install alternative OSes.
- grumpyprole 4y ago
  > apple isn’t generating that much waste They shipped 1.65 billion devices in 2021. For the price we pay, we should be leasing them and Apple should be taking them back and properly recycling them.
kergonath 4y ago
> There is 155 thousand tonnes per year of e-waste generated in the UK alone How much of that is £15 Chinese no-brand rubbish compared to £1,000 phones? It sounds like barking up the wrong tree to me, there are hundreds of OEMs that produce disposable hardware, few of them end up supporting their devices as long as Apple or even Google (!)
- grumpyprole 4y ago
  In the 2020 Apple claimed they had 49.88 percent of the UK market for mobile phones.
  - kergonath 4y ago
    Yes, but e-waste is much more than mobile phones.
    - grumpyprole 4y ago
      Mobile phones are at least 10% of all e-waste. But yes it's not just Apple, it's an industry wide problem. I'm sure that's what Cooke probably tells himself when he collects his 100 million yearly pay check. But since nobody likes government regulation, I just see the situation getting a whole lot worse.

UnpossibleJim 4y ago

Apple, as opposed to Google and Facebook, "don't capture your data" to sell their product. That's their brand, and it has made them millions. They do give your data without question to authorities, without a fight. These battles are costly and the bottom line is the bottom line and money > people when it comes to FB, Google and Apple =/ but that's the world we live in, so I can't really blame them. We reap what we sew. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-30/apple-meta-gave-user-data-to-hackers-who-forged-legal-requests https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-30/apple-met...

GekkePrutser 4y ago
They do capture a lot of data for their own purposes though. They're not selling it to other parties but they sure capture it.
- UnpossibleJim 4y ago
  I wasn't aware of this, TBH. Well that's a little disingenuous.
zip1234 4y ago
Apple sells search ads for their app store...