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> Hadn't heard of Mullvad before reading this Just the only vpn with any integrity left remaining, no biggie.
by sdfhdhjdw3 4y ago
> Hadn't heard of Mullvad before reading this
Just the only vpn with any integrity left remaining, no biggie.
- knorker 4y agoWhat about ovpn.com?
- SV_BubbleTime 4y agoAbsolutely no way to know they are good and other is bad. The entire VPN industry is “trust us bro”. Which works until it doesn’t.
- whatever1 4y agoThat is the entire tech industry. No audits, no repercussions for screw ups.
- slavak 4y agoWould a 3rd party audit work? https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/1/20/no-pii-or-privacy-leaks-found-cure53s-infrastructure-audit/ https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/1/20/no-pii-or-privacy-leak...
- SV_BubbleTime 4y agoThat’s very good. But what do I know about “Cure53” other than they are saying “Yea, trust them bro”. Is Cure53 incorruptible? Would there be any blip in the world if they were not and Mull was really an NSA op? I’m not saying I don’t trust Mull over say, Nord. I am saying the nature of the whole thing is non-falsifiable with our existing technologies. We can only determine who was lying by looking back after an incident, and most are kept secret.
- Foxboron 4y agocure53 has an impeccable reputation and delivered some of the best security analysis there is. Most of them are also public and on github. https://github.com/cure53/Publications https://github.com/cure53/Publications
- lillecarl 4y agoSo far their track record seems good enough. I mean if you have NSA on your threat model you'll have to take this into account... But most don't.
- ranger_danger 4y agoaudits are only valid for that one instant in time when it was performed. anything could have changed after the fact.
- Gigachad 4y agoYou could say the same about all auditing. A restaurant could have changed its food hygiene standards since it was audited. But a company with a history of periodic and successful audits is certainly a good trust marker for me.
- ranger_danger 4y agoRestaurants routinely can't uphold their standards and often get wildly different results on every inspection. But yes I do say the same about all audits.
- hihihihi1234 4y agoWhy do the other popular VPNs not have any integrity left?
- nijave 4y agoA lot of them have been gobbled up by Kape or otherwise proven to keep logs/data when they claim they don't https://restoreprivacy.com/kape-technologies-owns-expressvpn-cyberghost-pia-zenmate-vpn-review-sites/ https://restoreprivacy.com/kape-technologies-owns-expressvpn...
- blakewatson 4y agoOh man I thought Private Internet Access was still one of the independent VPNs. I feel duped. :/
- Icathian 4y agoThey got bought sometime last year. I was a very happy customer until that announcement.
- hprotagonist 4y agoand then freenode had a hard fork! weird week.
- BlueTankEngine 4y agoPIA continues to prove in court over and over again that they do not keep traffic logs. The extreme fear mongering over Kape has never been backed up by any evidence other than "they used to do bad things under their previous management." As I always say in these threads, all the people who shill Mullvad over everything probably just use them for web-browsing or adjacent activities, and not anything that requires a specialty product like p2p or bypassing national firewalls.
- MertsA 4y ago
- mechanical_bear 4y agoProtonvpn?
- UberFly 4y agoYour blanket statement isn't true. OVPN for instance has gone to court to protect its data: https://www.ovpn.com/en/blog/ovpn-wins-court-order https://www.ovpn.com/en/blog/ovpn-wins-court-order They are a very good alternative among others.
- lillecarl 4y agoBeen a customer since they went to court for TPB and I read about their legal fee insurance and the lot. Too bad both are Swedish (I'm Swedish). But yeah, I'd say Mullvad and OVPN has proven themselves over the years, met a mullvad employee in IRC discussing wireguard when it was still an earlybird, they're a good team.
- eszaq 4y agoHow about ivpn or perfect privacy?
- lovingCranberry 4y agoPerfect-Privacy still has integrity left. Someone hacked into their Malmoe server a year ago or so, and found that they indeed run everything in RAM disks and aren't logging at all. Happened via the management interface. But please take this information with a grain of salt, as the write up for this exploitation has been vanished from the internet (or I am just unable to find it). * However, there are still articles about how they've been raided multiple times [1][2][3] in the past, and the police never found any logs. [1] https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2010-August/002989.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2010-August/... [2] https://torrentfreak.com/police-seize-two-perfect-privacy-vpn-servers-160902/ https://torrentfreak.com/police-seize-two-perfect-privacy-vp... [3] https://www.ip-insider.de/hausdurchsuchung-bei-erfurter-vpn-betreiber-a-278710/ https://www.ip-insider.de/hausdurchsuchung-bei-erfurter-vpn-... * Also, I believe that this kind of pwnage could've happened to every VPN provider. Always use VPN chains with multiple locations and always keep in mind that your VPN could have been compromised. Don't just rely on a single hoster which just shifts the liability from your ISP to another single point of failure. But this is probably still better than LE just having to call comcast. :) Edit: ovpn.to is probably worth taking a look too. I remember that the admin grows cannabis in his basement (still illegal in Germany) and provides all users with access to warez via Usenet NNTP. Do with that info what you want.
- sangnoir 4y ago> Someone hacked into their Malmoe server a year ago or so, and found that they indeed run everything in RAM disks and aren't logging at all Hypothetically, without breaking into the network control plane, the hacker could have completely missed the existence of port mirror to a second read-only system that does logging for lawful intercepts.
- kome 4y agoAirVPN seems to be quite good, and ethical.