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Very interesting. Mullvad seems to be the most extreme and reputable VPN service out there when it comes to privacy. At least it seems that way.

criddell 4y ago
A VPN will hide you from your ISP, but that's about it, isn't it? Does a VPN really provide that much real privacy?
- kombucha13 4y ago
  I mean a properly configured VPN can do a lot more Then hide you from your ISP
  - dymk 4y ago
    Like what? Now you’re just using their ISP.
    - 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
      Some of us have really crappy ISPs (that also happen to be monopolists) that do things like HTTPS MITM (when they try to force you to install their root CA certificate and HTTPS simply doesn't work unless you do it), block DNS requests unless you use their DNS servers, or store all your traffic (this is being done in Russia, but it's close enough). I very much prefer to cover the precise details of my communications from my ISP and 'outsource' that stuff to Europe.
      - oaiey 4y ago
        I hope you go for a spying incompetent country in Europe :). Especially one which is not partnered with the US .. like the UK and others.
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    - advisedwang 4y ago
      Most allow you to chose where the VPN exit is located, so you can have traffic originating in another country.
      - dcow 4y ago
        This is a nice feature and paying for it is a perfectly sane thing to do if you need the utility. It's not exactly privacy, though.
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  It also stops sites you visit from seeing your real IP.
  - stjohnswarts 4y ago
    Sure but with fingerprinting that's only a minor nuisance to most advertisers and sites who are tracking you.
    - oaiey 4y ago
      But the cast majority of users will not care about fingerprinting by surveillance industry but about illegally Dow loading stuff. And there, VPNs are quite comfy.
    - pridkett 4y ago
      The newest version of Firefox goes a long way to prevent this with Total Cookie Protection[0]. You’re basically left with fingerprinting as all cookies are site specific - even third party cookies. Combine that with with a DNS that does cname uncloaking like NextDNS and noscript and you’re about as good as you can get without extreme measures. [0]: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-rolls-out-total-cookie-protection-by-default-to-all-users-worldwide/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-rolls-o...
  - Pakdef 4y ago
    I use Tor for that... it's a bit like a free VPN
- ezfe 4y ago
  Well, yes and no. For most people, they're over-rated. You don't even need a VPN to securely pay your credit card bill on public Wi-Fi. However, there are two cases where they are useful: - IP address hiding (something like iCloud Private Relay for iOS/Mac users does this at the browser level, VPN brings it to the entire system) - Legal protections - Location simulation If you want to hide your IP address, this could be to stay more anonymous and less trackable, any system that relays your connection is fine. If you want to break the law, you'll need something that has safeguards in place against that. Most VPNs do the most they can within the legal limits here. If you want to simulate your location, you'll need a VPN with servers in those locations. --- So really, it just depends on what "real privacy" means to you.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
    You forgot the most important use case, unless you're talking about Europeans and USians only. I use a VPN simply because half the internet doesn't work without it (some guy in a suit decided what you can and cannot read, and there's nothing you can do about it). Free tiers provided by various "cloud" services work fine for this one (Oracle is the most generous among them).
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    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      > unless you're talking about Europeans and USians only Nah. As Europeans we're getting more and more censorship. Just think that most Russian news outlets have been blocked, youtube channels and so on. Plus until recently I couldn't read a good chunk of US news due to them refusing to adapt to GDPR.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Hiding your activity from your ISP is a Huge Deal in the USA. Can't speak to other countries though.
- Anunayj 4y ago
  and let me access sites blocked by my country/ISP!
- throwaway675309 4y ago
  We've had numerous cases of ISPs spying on the domains that you are using and throttling your network usage according to that activity at least in the United States, so a VPN goes a long way towards ameliorating this particular issue.
- utucuro 4y ago
  "That's about it" corresponds to large swathes of the Internet for some of us living in parts of the world with arbitrarily censored and restricted Internet access.

criddell 4y ago

A VPN will hide you from your ISP, but that's about it, isn't it? Does a VPN really provide that much real privacy?

kombucha13 4y ago
I mean a properly configured VPN can do a lot more Then hide you from your ISP
- dymk 4y ago
  Like what? Now you’re just using their ISP.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
    Some of us have really crappy ISPs (that also happen to be monopolists) that do things like HTTPS MITM (when they try to force you to install their root CA certificate and HTTPS simply doesn't work unless you do it), block DNS requests unless you use their DNS servers, or store all your traffic (this is being done in Russia, but it's close enough). I very much prefer to cover the precise details of my communications from my ISP and 'outsource' that stuff to Europe.
    - oaiey 4y ago
      I hope you go for a spying incompetent country in Europe :). Especially one which is not partnered with the US .. like the UK and others.
      - deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
  - advisedwang 4y ago
    Most allow you to chose where the VPN exit is located, so you can have traffic originating in another country.
    - dcow 4y ago
      This is a nice feature and paying for it is a perfectly sane thing to do if you need the utility. It's not exactly privacy, though.
yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
It also stops sites you visit from seeing your real IP.
- stjohnswarts 4y ago
  Sure but with fingerprinting that's only a minor nuisance to most advertisers and sites who are tracking you.
  - oaiey 4y ago
    But the cast majority of users will not care about fingerprinting by surveillance industry but about illegally Dow loading stuff. And there, VPNs are quite comfy.
  - pridkett 4y ago
    The newest version of Firefox goes a long way to prevent this with Total Cookie Protection[0]. You’re basically left with fingerprinting as all cookies are site specific - even third party cookies. Combine that with with a DNS that does cname uncloaking like NextDNS and noscript and you’re about as good as you can get without extreme measures. [0]: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-rolls-out-total-cookie-protection-by-default-to-all-users-worldwide/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-rolls-o...
- Pakdef 4y ago
  I use Tor for that... it's a bit like a free VPN
ezfe 4y ago
Well, yes and no. For most people, they're over-rated. You don't even need a VPN to securely pay your credit card bill on public Wi-Fi. However, there are two cases where they are useful: - IP address hiding (something like iCloud Private Relay for iOS/Mac users does this at the browser level, VPN brings it to the entire system) - Legal protections - Location simulation If you want to hide your IP address, this could be to stay more anonymous and less trackable, any system that relays your connection is fine. If you want to break the law, you'll need something that has safeguards in place against that. Most VPNs do the most they can within the legal limits here. If you want to simulate your location, you'll need a VPN with servers in those locations. --- So really, it just depends on what "real privacy" means to you.
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
  You forgot the most important use case, unless you're talking about Europeans and USians only. I use a VPN simply because half the internet doesn't work without it (some guy in a suit decided what you can and cannot read, and there's nothing you can do about it). Free tiers provided by various "cloud" services work fine for this one (Oracle is the most generous among them).
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    > unless you're talking about Europeans and USians only Nah. As Europeans we're getting more and more censorship. Just think that most Russian news outlets have been blocked, youtube channels and so on. Plus until recently I couldn't read a good chunk of US news due to them refusing to adapt to GDPR.
stjohnswarts 4y ago
Hiding your activity from your ISP is a Huge Deal in the USA. Can't speak to other countries though.
Anunayj 4y ago
and let me access sites blocked by my country/ISP!
throwaway675309 4y ago
We've had numerous cases of ISPs spying on the domains that you are using and throttling your network usage according to that activity at least in the United States, so a VPN goes a long way towards ameliorating this particular issue.
utucuro 4y ago
"That's about it" corresponds to large swathes of the Internet for some of us living in parts of the world with arbitrarily censored and restricted Internet access.