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I remember an old Blizzard ad for StarCraft II that made fun of pay to win [1] but alas… here we are. I can’t believe how good the Diablo 4 release vids looked

I remember an old Blizzard ad for StarCraft II that made fun of pay to win [1] but alas… here we are. I can’t believe how good the Diablo 4 release vids looked last week but they’ve been incredibly tainted in my mind by all the shitty stories I’ve been reading about Immortal. Bums me out as Blizzard IP always has a special place in my heart. [1] https://youtu.be/0hKHdzTMAcI https://youtu.be/0hKHdzTMAcI

OberstKrueger 4y ago
On the flip side, they're doing away with loot boxes in Overwatch 2 and replacing it with a battlepass and straight-forward shop[1]. Plenty of opportunity to screw that up, of course, but at least it'll be easier to see than having to dive into drop rate algorithms and best guesses at such. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23171133/overwatch-2-loot-boxes-free-to-play https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23171133/overwatch-2-loot...
- awelxtr 4y ago
  I liked the formula of having a price and then loot boxes. This is because they had to make the lootboxes content available eventually, which it is what happened: I have all the skins I like and I haven't spent a dime for them. Being free + bp they can lock all cosmetings behind $$$ and push even more fomo tactings to your face
WaxProlix 4y ago
> Bums me out as Blizzard IP always has a special place in my heart. This is what they're financializing. It's a cash out, private equity style.
BearOso 4y ago
I thought the videos looked corny as hell. I'm pretty sure they're going to make Diablo 4 resemble a Saturday morning cartoon, just like Diablo 3. And from the the descriptions of the mechanics, those don't seem to have improved either. Just resign yourself that the Diablo series and the rest are gone.
- shrimp_emoji 4y ago
  Hahahah. Yep. Their whole pitch on 4 seemed to be "look we're making it HARDCORE again!", which the trailer demo'd to mean "LOTS OF GORE + Marvel movie humor". It's hard to even articulate what made D1 and D2 as "gritty" as they seem to this day, but it involves politically incorrect and demographically-exclusionary themes that people of a whole different generation made for a PC market that was regarded as "for adults" (kids were supposed to be in the console ghetto). It's an entirely different world, and Blizzard is a bloated zombie whaling ship. Also, the genres they're still trying to squeeze money out of (except for Overwatch's) are very outdated: non-4X basic RTS, isometric RPG, MMO. One of those is okay on a phone, but these are all relics of a bygone age of technical limitations (in MMOs' case, then-recently-conquered bandwidth limitations that made a shitty game format interesting because playing with many people was novel at the time).
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    I don't see how D2 is politically incorrect or demographically exclusionary. Especially given there wasn't an article about a tweet from someone mad about the remaster.
    - grog454 4y ago
      A Gheed quote: "You're a brave soul! I'd sooner thrust my sacred scepter into the foulest, carbuncular trull than set one boot into that cave." https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Gheed https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Gheed Don't really know if that's considered PC but I suspect there are worse examples that I can't recall well enough to articulate. Another possible example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo_2_Resurrected/comments/pchu8e/act_2_harem_girls/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo_2_Resurrected/comments/pchu8...
      - Teever 4y ago
        Never once in my life did I ever connect 'political correctness' to the Diablo franchise. I just clicked on skeletons until they died and then picked up the shiny things they dropped over and over. You're really overthinking the game man.
thecassandrist 4y ago
I left over the China deal. They haven’t made anything that’s made me regret it in the slightest.
- falcolas 4y ago
  You and me both. I haven't seen one piece of news that’s made me regret my decision. For the sibling commenter, the Microsoft acquisition hasn't changed anything that matters. They’re getting the IP, but the minds behind it, the caring about their customers, is long gone.
- smotched 4y ago
  What do you think about the Microsoft deal?
falcolas 4y ago
Its worth noting the MTX language being used for D4: that they are “anchoring” their MTX around cosmetics. Anchoring. There’s nothing that excludes other MTX in that wording.

OberstKrueger 4y ago

On the flip side, they're doing away with loot boxes in Overwatch 2 and replacing it with a battlepass and straight-forward shop[1]. Plenty of opportunity to screw that up, of course, but at least it'll be easier to see than having to dive into drop rate algorithms and best guesses at such. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23171133/overwatch-2-loot-boxes-free-to-play https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/16/23171133/overwatch-2-loot...

awelxtr 4y ago
I liked the formula of having a price and then loot boxes. This is because they had to make the lootboxes content available eventually, which it is what happened: I have all the skins I like and I haven't spent a dime for them. Being free + bp they can lock all cosmetings behind $$$ and push even more fomo tactings to your face

WaxProlix 4y ago

> Bums me out as Blizzard IP always has a special place in my heart. This is what they're financializing. It's a cash out, private equity style.

BearOso 4y ago

I thought the videos looked corny as hell. I'm pretty sure they're going to make Diablo 4 resemble a Saturday morning cartoon, just like Diablo 3. And from the the descriptions of the mechanics, those don't seem to have improved either. Just resign yourself that the Diablo series and the rest are gone.

shrimp_emoji 4y ago
Hahahah. Yep. Their whole pitch on 4 seemed to be "look we're making it HARDCORE again!", which the trailer demo'd to mean "LOTS OF GORE + Marvel movie humor". It's hard to even articulate what made D1 and D2 as "gritty" as they seem to this day, but it involves politically incorrect and demographically-exclusionary themes that people of a whole different generation made for a PC market that was regarded as "for adults" (kids were supposed to be in the console ghetto). It's an entirely different world, and Blizzard is a bloated zombie whaling ship. Also, the genres they're still trying to squeeze money out of (except for Overwatch's) are very outdated: non-4X basic RTS, isometric RPG, MMO. One of those is okay on a phone, but these are all relics of a bygone age of technical limitations (in MMOs' case, then-recently-conquered bandwidth limitations that made a shitty game format interesting because playing with many people was novel at the time).
- unethical_ban 4y ago
  I don't see how D2 is politically incorrect or demographically exclusionary. Especially given there wasn't an article about a tweet from someone mad about the remaster.
  - grog454 4y ago
    A Gheed quote: "You're a brave soul! I'd sooner thrust my sacred scepter into the foulest, carbuncular trull than set one boot into that cave." https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Gheed https://diablo.fandom.com/wiki/Gheed Don't really know if that's considered PC but I suspect there are worse examples that I can't recall well enough to articulate. Another possible example: https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo_2_Resurrected/comments/pchu8e/act_2_harem_girls/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo_2_Resurrected/comments/pchu8...
    - Teever 4y ago
      Never once in my life did I ever connect 'political correctness' to the Diablo franchise. I just clicked on skeletons until they died and then picked up the shiny things they dropped over and over. You're really overthinking the game man.

thecassandrist 4y ago

I left over the China deal. They haven’t made anything that’s made me regret it in the slightest.

falcolas 4y ago
You and me both. I haven't seen one piece of news that’s made me regret my decision. For the sibling commenter, the Microsoft acquisition hasn't changed anything that matters. They’re getting the IP, but the minds behind it, the caring about their customers, is long gone.
smotched 4y ago
What do you think about the Microsoft deal?

falcolas 4y ago

Its worth noting the MTX language being used for D4: that they are “anchoring” their MTX around cosmetics. Anchoring. There’s nothing that excludes other MTX in that wording.