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Black / dark tile roofs across the south are completely ridiculous. I doubt people understood this when shingles were first developed but we do now and we shou

Black / dark tile roofs across the south are completely ridiculous. I doubt people understood this when shingles were first developed but we do now and we should adjust accordingly

hsbauauvhabzb 4y ago
Pretty sure they were recently banned in Sydney, Australia.
- josh64 4y ago
  Not quite unfortunately - the new Planning Minister caved to the property developer lobby: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/09/plan-to-ban-dark-roofs-abandoned-as-nsw-government-walks-back-sustainability-measures https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/09/plan-...
  - jdironman 4y ago
    What exactly are the challenges with producing lighter colored roofing?
    - freen 4y ago
      People who are happy to let the world burn so they can have their roof look the way British roofs look.
    - ip26 4y ago
      Asphalt is black, and a high albedo is hard for anything to maintain with dirt, dust, and age.
      - Tagbert 4y ago
        I had assumed that the white color would come from a white granular material impressed into the asphalt base
      - stephen_g 4y ago
        That’s not it in Australia - we don’t use asphalt roofing. Normal roofs are tile, steel or (more rarely) zinc here. I think the US is fairly unique in that regard. I’m so used to our houses here that the idea of using shingles made of asphalt just seems bizarre to me.
Hellbanevil 4y ago
The main reason they are dark is because they are made with oil. Asphalt tiles are fairly cheap, and that's a good thing. It's the labor that makes up most of the cost of a roof. I'm trying to get up the nerve to shingle my four bedroom home, and it's not the cost of materials I'm worried about. It's my body. My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. I guess the race is on to develop a 50 year life expectancy, but reasonably priced, white shingle? They might be out there? I really haven't researched them. If anyone knows a cheap roofing contractor in the Bay Area, please divulge? Twenty years ago I had a estimate of $25,000. I think that's too much now. I'm a ex General Contractor.
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  > My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. They'll also bear the brunt of the effects of global warming, and those will be worse. We should try to make environmental programs as equitable as possible. But first and foremost we need to do them!
  - Hellbanevil 4y ago
    Yea, but trying to squeeze more out of the lower middle class, and poor, dosen't seem kind at this point in history. I see a lot of virtue signaling out there. Most of us can't afford a electric vechicle, and those federal credits seemed to just go to people whom could afford any vechicle. I can't even afford the smog check, and registration, on my 4 banger toyota. A Truck I've keep going 20 years. It uses very little gas. (My vechicle has always been tuned up properly. I thought by now we would have had free smog checks for the poor? In CA we have a low income deal that was enacted when CA decided to require smog checks. It's so complicated most people don't use the "gift". You need to bring your car to a mechanic in order to get any money back. Shade Tree mechanics are out of luck. My point is the corporations/government will pass any Global Warning measures down to us. We are already tapped out. If we are really serious about Global Warming lets go after the wealthy boys first. Take away their private jets. And enough with their Globalization. If they can make a product that dosen't need to be shipped long distances, have them make it here. I'm a Democrat, and winced when Biden pretty much gave a FY to the oil companies in order to sound Progressive. I knew at the time, the poor can't afford to pay more for gas, and natural gas. Now--I don't blame the president for this spike in gas prices, but I would have rather have him say this is a big problem, and we can't just do away with oil. Be it my PG&E bill that just seems to go up, and the $6.69 gas at my Chevron station, the poor are already paying to much of their income on a complex problem. (My gas station raised their prices the minute they started talking about inflation, and the Russia sanctions. It is pure greed. They made a record profits in the past few years. Sorry about my rant. I just don't like being squeezed so much, while my wealthy neighbors buy crap from Amazon, and think they are doing their part by driving a Tesla.
SoftTalker 4y ago
I think people understood. It's just that tar/asphalt is cheap and makes a very good roofing material.

Black / dark tile roofs across the south are completely ridiculous. I doubt people understood this when shingles were first developed but we do now and we should adjust accordingly

hsbauauvhabzb 4y ago

Pretty sure they were recently banned in Sydney, Australia.

josh64 4y ago
Not quite unfortunately - the new Planning Minister caved to the property developer lobby: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/09/plan-to-ban-dark-roofs-abandoned-as-nsw-government-walks-back-sustainability-measures https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/09/plan-...
- jdironman 4y ago
  What exactly are the challenges with producing lighter colored roofing?
  - freen 4y ago
    People who are happy to let the world burn so they can have their roof look the way British roofs look.
  - ip26 4y ago
    Asphalt is black, and a high albedo is hard for anything to maintain with dirt, dust, and age.
    - Tagbert 4y ago
      I had assumed that the white color would come from a white granular material impressed into the asphalt base
    - stephen_g 4y ago
      That’s not it in Australia - we don’t use asphalt roofing. Normal roofs are tile, steel or (more rarely) zinc here. I think the US is fairly unique in that regard. I’m so used to our houses here that the idea of using shingles made of asphalt just seems bizarre to me.

Hellbanevil 4y ago

The main reason they are dark is because they are made with oil. Asphalt tiles are fairly cheap, and that's a good thing. It's the labor that makes up most of the cost of a roof. I'm trying to get up the nerve to shingle my four bedroom home, and it's not the cost of materials I'm worried about. It's my body. My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. I guess the race is on to develop a 50 year life expectancy, but reasonably priced, white shingle? They might be out there? I really haven't researched them. If anyone knows a cheap roofing contractor in the Bay Area, please divulge? Twenty years ago I had a estimate of $25,000. I think that's too much now. I'm a ex General Contractor.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
> My fear with global warming measures is the poor, and middle class, will be required to bear the brunt of the preventative measures. They'll also bear the brunt of the effects of global warming, and those will be worse. We should try to make environmental programs as equitable as possible. But first and foremost we need to do them!
- Hellbanevil 4y ago
  Yea, but trying to squeeze more out of the lower middle class, and poor, dosen't seem kind at this point in history. I see a lot of virtue signaling out there. Most of us can't afford a electric vechicle, and those federal credits seemed to just go to people whom could afford any vechicle. I can't even afford the smog check, and registration, on my 4 banger toyota. A Truck I've keep going 20 years. It uses very little gas. (My vechicle has always been tuned up properly. I thought by now we would have had free smog checks for the poor? In CA we have a low income deal that was enacted when CA decided to require smog checks. It's so complicated most people don't use the "gift". You need to bring your car to a mechanic in order to get any money back. Shade Tree mechanics are out of luck. My point is the corporations/government will pass any Global Warning measures down to us. We are already tapped out. If we are really serious about Global Warming lets go after the wealthy boys first. Take away their private jets. And enough with their Globalization. If they can make a product that dosen't need to be shipped long distances, have them make it here. I'm a Democrat, and winced when Biden pretty much gave a FY to the oil companies in order to sound Progressive. I knew at the time, the poor can't afford to pay more for gas, and natural gas. Now--I don't blame the president for this spike in gas prices, but I would have rather have him say this is a big problem, and we can't just do away with oil. Be it my PG&E bill that just seems to go up, and the $6.69 gas at my Chevron station, the poor are already paying to much of their income on a complex problem. (My gas station raised their prices the minute they started talking about inflation, and the Russia sanctions. It is pure greed. They made a record profits in the past few years. Sorry about my rant. I just don't like being squeezed so much, while my wealthy neighbors buy crap from Amazon, and think they are doing their part by driving a Tesla.

SoftTalker 4y ago

I think people understood. It's just that tar/asphalt is cheap and makes a very good roofing material.