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> Has it occurred to you that the lack of people willing to pay for what you're trying to offer may be indicative that it's not quite as valuable as you perceiv

by eunoia 4y ago

> Has it occurred to you that the lack of people willing to pay for what you're trying to offer may be indicative that it's not quite as valuable as you perceive it to be? This is how we end up with no art, no music, no culture, no raising of the future generations etc. If the only metric via which we value time spent and effort spent is money earned none of these (very important) things can compare even to the most useless widget making / admin job. Do we even know what it is to be human anymore?

CodeSgt 4y ago
Plenty of people pay for art and music. I didn't say they weren't valuable, I said what you're trying to offer specifically may not be valuable. I know you think it's some incredible service that everybody wants, but have you considered that maybe it isn't?
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  Are you in the arts or a field adjacent to it, by chance?
  - CodeSgt 4y ago
    That's not relevant to the discussion, if you have something you want to say then just say it. Don't try to ask me a question you think you know the answer to and then tell me my answer precludes me from having an opinion on the subject at hand. This is one of the most common methods I see employed by bad-faith conversationalist and it's sickening. Your point should stand on it's own merit, not on your ability to invalidate the "oppositions" side.
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      > That's not relevant to the discussion, if you have something you want to say then just say it. Hey ease off throttle man. This isn’t Reddit.
      - CodeSgt 4y ago
nradov 4y ago
That makes no sense. People do pay for those things. They buy art and concert tickets. Teaching isn't super lucrative but they earn a decent living wage in most areas.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  Agreed with your comment up to this: >but they earn a decent living wage in most areas. Debatable and only part of the problem. Education is a terrible example for you to bring up, as evidenced by the absurdly low salaries they receive combined with the broad expectations of their job (therapy, education, tutoring, crisis intervention, nutrition, baby sitting, special needs identification, the list goes on). Have you seen the turnover rates in education? It’s in an appalling state. No resources, garbage pay, and now they’re being asked to shoot back at school shooters as their schools are redesigned to look like prisons, all while politicians play tug of war with their curriculum as a proxy battle for social policies. The sad fact is we don’t value educators in the US. Hell we don’t value caregivers much either.

by eunoia 4y ago

CodeSgt 4y ago

Plenty of people pay for art and music. I didn't say they weren't valuable, I said what you're trying to offer specifically may not be valuable. I know you think it's some incredible service that everybody wants, but have you considered that maybe it isn't?

Forgeties79 4y ago
Are you in the arts or a field adjacent to it, by chance?
- CodeSgt 4y ago
  That's not relevant to the discussion, if you have something you want to say then just say it. Don't try to ask me a question you think you know the answer to and then tell me my answer precludes me from having an opinion on the subject at hand. This is one of the most common methods I see employed by bad-faith conversationalist and it's sickening. Your point should stand on it's own merit, not on your ability to invalidate the "oppositions" side.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    > That's not relevant to the discussion, if you have something you want to say then just say it. Hey ease off throttle man. This isn’t Reddit.
    - CodeSgt 4y ago

nradov 4y ago

That makes no sense. People do pay for those things. They buy art and concert tickets. Teaching isn't super lucrative but they earn a decent living wage in most areas.

Forgeties79 4y ago
Agreed with your comment up to this: >but they earn a decent living wage in most areas. Debatable and only part of the problem. Education is a terrible example for you to bring up, as evidenced by the absurdly low salaries they receive combined with the broad expectations of their job (therapy, education, tutoring, crisis intervention, nutrition, baby sitting, special needs identification, the list goes on). Have you seen the turnover rates in education? It’s in an appalling state. No resources, garbage pay, and now they’re being asked to shoot back at school shooters as their schools are redesigned to look like prisons, all while politicians play tug of war with their curriculum as a proxy battle for social policies. The sad fact is we don’t value educators in the US. Hell we don’t value caregivers much either.