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> every prison is for profit. Sure... but the alternatives are worse, shifting the financial burden to the innocent public or simply allowing lawlessness. Comm

by jjcon 4y ago

> every prison is for profit. Sure... but the alternatives are worse, shifting the financial burden to the innocent public or simply allowing lawlessness. Committing crimes isn't supposed to have a free and easy path back to society.

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
> Sure... but the alternatives are worse, shifting the financial burden to the innocent public The innocent public is already paying for it. They're just paying for profits, too...
- jjcon 4y ago
  > The innocent public is already paying for it. So because they are footing part of the bill they might as well just foot the whole thing? non sequitur much? If anything we should be charging prisoners the full cost of their incarceration but in that case even if we paid them minimum wage it wouldn't cover their debt, not by a long shot. At least then people wouldn't falsely equate modern prison systems with slavery, but the imprisoned would be much worse off.
  - IX-103 4y ago
    And that's why insurance should be illegal! If someone gets sick, then let them pay for it. They should have gotten exercise and lived right. If someone's house burns down, they should have fixed the wiring and known better than to have old appliances. Get in a car accident, you should since more carefully. For that matter we should get rid of public police and fire departments. If someone wants that service they can pay for it themselves. /s
    - jjcon 4y ago
      Your comparison makes absolutely zero sense…
      - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
        It's your understanding of the world that is very limited. Prisons are not a punitive system, they are public services like police and firefighters and so on.
        jjcon 4y ago
        > Prisons are not a punitive system, they are public services like police and firefighters and so on. What did I say that at all disagreed with prisons being a public service? No shit.
  - onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
    > So because they are footing part of the bill they might as well just foot the whole thing? They are paying for the whole thing! Do you think private prisons raise money for donations to pay for prisoners to subsidize the public out of the good of their heart? Are you assuming that prisoners deserve to be slaves and that their labor should be free?
    - jjcon 4y ago
      Yes either prison labor should be free or they should foot the bill for their costs to society. The second is more fair to society but a worse deal for prisoners
FpUser 4y ago
The alternative is for one to revert that fucked up attitude toward convicts and consider them as people who need help to go back to being normal productive members of society rather than slaves. Yes some of the convicts are a monsters so they would keep being in prisons but the rest will not have to turn into hardened career criminals with fucked up mind and looking for a revenge.
- jjcon 4y ago
  They played stupid games and they won stupid prizes… that’s the whole idea…
  - FpUser 4y ago
    To the end of their lives? This "whole idea" is an abomination. And whose idea is it anyways, fucking slave owner's?
    - jjcon 4y ago
      > To the end of their lives? Absolutely for plenty of them they deserve nothing less. Society shouldn't have to live with killers and rapists, put them in the ground.
      - FpUser 4y ago
        Killers and rapists make a minority of of all crimes so cut the bull.
  - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
    I hope you never have to suffer wrongful incarceration. Or maybe a bit just so you learn how the world works.
    - jjcon 4y ago
      I think you've somehow gotten the victims in this world reversed. Have you ever had something stolen from you? Someone close to you raped beaten or even killed? Maybe a bit of experience in the real world would knock some sense into you. Your bleeding heart for criminals (of all people) is making the world worse for the rest of us. Not that it should have to be said but to be clear... the victims of crimes are the victims... not the criminals.
elicash 4y ago
The options are in fact that either these financial burdens are paid either by the families of incarcerated people, or the taxpayer. I vote for the taxpayer. We have this system of putting people in prison for our own safety -- the least we can do if we incarcerate people is to pick up the costs of our own justice system. Ruining the financial lives of their families and of their children isn't the path I favor, personally. We want this justice system we can pay for it.
pastacacioepepe 4y ago
The public should invest as much as possible in the rehabilitation of prisoners. Thinking only about the economic cost is such a stupid simplification of the issue. Having a broken but cheap prison system will have massive societary costs. Much better to spend some taxpayer money to actually have some criminals return healthily to society and start contributing again. By the way there are plenty of real financial burdens on the innocent public, if you know where to look. Maybe we should stop subsidizing the rich with the "innocent public" money?

by jjcon 4y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago

> Sure... but the alternatives are worse, shifting the financial burden to the innocent public The innocent public is already paying for it. They're just paying for profits, too...

jjcon 4y ago
> The innocent public is already paying for it. So because they are footing part of the bill they might as well just foot the whole thing? non sequitur much? If anything we should be charging prisoners the full cost of their incarceration but in that case even if we paid them minimum wage it wouldn't cover their debt, not by a long shot. At least then people wouldn't falsely equate modern prison systems with slavery, but the imprisoned would be much worse off.
- IX-103 4y ago
  And that's why insurance should be illegal! If someone gets sick, then let them pay for it. They should have gotten exercise and lived right. If someone's house burns down, they should have fixed the wiring and known better than to have old appliances. Get in a car accident, you should since more carefully. For that matter we should get rid of public police and fire departments. If someone wants that service they can pay for it themselves. /s
  - jjcon 4y ago
    Your comparison makes absolutely zero sense…
    - pastacacioepepe 4y ago
      It's your understanding of the world that is very limited. Prisons are not a punitive system, they are public services like police and firefighters and so on.
      - jjcon 4y ago
        > Prisons are not a punitive system, they are public services like police and firefighters and so on. What did I say that at all disagreed with prisons being a public service? No shit.
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago
  > So because they are footing part of the bill they might as well just foot the whole thing? They are paying for the whole thing! Do you think private prisons raise money for donations to pay for prisoners to subsidize the public out of the good of their heart? Are you assuming that prisoners deserve to be slaves and that their labor should be free?
  - jjcon 4y ago
    Yes either prison labor should be free or they should foot the bill for their costs to society. The second is more fair to society but a worse deal for prisoners

FpUser 4y ago

The alternative is for one to revert that fucked up attitude toward convicts and consider them as people who need help to go back to being normal productive members of society rather than slaves. Yes some of the convicts are a monsters so they would keep being in prisons but the rest will not have to turn into hardened career criminals with fucked up mind and looking for a revenge.

jjcon 4y ago
They played stupid games and they won stupid prizes… that’s the whole idea…
- FpUser 4y ago
  To the end of their lives? This "whole idea" is an abomination. And whose idea is it anyways, fucking slave owner's?
  - jjcon 4y ago
    > To the end of their lives? Absolutely for plenty of them they deserve nothing less. Society shouldn't have to live with killers and rapists, put them in the ground.
    - FpUser 4y ago
      Killers and rapists make a minority of of all crimes so cut the bull.
- pastacacioepepe 4y ago
  I hope you never have to suffer wrongful incarceration. Or maybe a bit just so you learn how the world works.
  - jjcon 4y ago
    I think you've somehow gotten the victims in this world reversed. Have you ever had something stolen from you? Someone close to you raped beaten or even killed? Maybe a bit of experience in the real world would knock some sense into you. Your bleeding heart for criminals (of all people) is making the world worse for the rest of us. Not that it should have to be said but to be clear... the victims of crimes are the victims... not the criminals.

elicash 4y ago

The options are in fact that either these financial burdens are paid either by the families of incarcerated people, or the taxpayer. I vote for the taxpayer. We have this system of putting people in prison for our own safety -- the least we can do if we incarcerate people is to pick up the costs of our own justice system. Ruining the financial lives of their families and of their children isn't the path I favor, personally. We want this justice system we can pay for it.

pastacacioepepe 4y ago

The public should invest as much as possible in the rehabilitation of prisoners. Thinking only about the economic cost is such a stupid simplification of the issue. Having a broken but cheap prison system will have massive societary costs. Much better to spend some taxpayer money to actually have some criminals return healthily to society and start contributing again. By the way there are plenty of real financial burdens on the innocent public, if you know where to look. Maybe we should stop subsidizing the rich with the "innocent public" money?