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He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements.

He's at his lowest point in the eyes of the media (which is how most of us see the world) but hes actually at the highest point in his career and achievements. Tesla is about to explode in production with their "biggest building in the world factory" in texas, berlin and china. SpaceX is about to achieve the holy grail of the space industry (an affordable and reusable rocket) not to mention Starlink.

pclmulqdq 4y ago
Tesla has always been "about to explode" in one way or another. When will people realize that manufacturing businesses, when they are limited by property and equipment, are slow-burning? Also, "reusable" doesn't matter as much as "affordable" for rockets. I am waiting for one of the smaller companies with a dirt cheap rocket to eat SpaceX's lunch.
- joenathanone 4y ago
  Being reusable is the only way to make an affordable rocket.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    That's actually not true. For example, the Russian Soyuz is expected to still have lower cost per kg to LEO than the Falcon rockets from SpaceX. Fuel is the vast majority of the cost of a rocket launch.
    - asadotzler 4y ago
      That's completely wrong. Fuel is a tiny fraction of a rocket launch. At best, SpaceX's Falcon 9 costs $15 million to refurbish and re-launch (according to Musk). About $200,000 of that is fuel. That works out to 1.3% of costs which is far from "the vast majority."
      - pclmulqdq 4y ago
        $200,000 is the cost of the atoms in the fuel. Most of the rest of the $15 million is the cost to get those atoms to the right temperature and pressure when they are stored at a different temperature and pressure, transport those atoms, and put them in the shell. Not to mention the cost of cleaning and coating the fuel tanks to make sure that they are inert and won't react to the fuel (this has to be done on non-reusable rockets too). This is the typical sleight-of-hand that comes at Musk companies. The atoms in the fuel are cheap, but the process of turning those atoms into usable fuel is very expensive. This is the case for almost all rockets. The Soyuz is partly cheap to launch because it doesn't need a lot of special fuel handling.
        saberience 4y ago
        err, are you forgetting the cost to literally build a rocket? Or are you arguing somehow that fuel costs more than building the first stage of a rocket? The idea somehow that Soyuz is cheaper than Falcon-9 is laughable.
        thraway11 4y ago
        Looks like SpaceX should've kept those employees after all. Apparently they work for free!
        joenathanone 4y ago
        > is the cost of the atoms in the fuel. Are you being obtuse on purpose? The atoms of the fuel, really? Where can I buy fuel by the atom?
        pclmulqdq 4y ago
        You can buy the atoms from Sigma Aldrich or any other chemical supplier. You have to buy a lot of atoms, and you have to buy them by the liter. If you want rocket fuel from those chemicals, you are going to have to pressurize them and cool them or warm them, and you need a lot of energy and equipment to do it. That is the expensive part. Often, rocket fuels are heavily pressurized orsupercooled, and supercooling a gas is expensive. That allows you to store more energy in a given volume.
- adolph 4y ago
  The significant component of affordability for rockets is the cost of mass to orbit. Think airline model not private aviation.
- misiti3780 4y ago
  they are growing 50% y/o/y. that is explosive growth.
  - Juicyy 4y ago
    Their stock is down 40% YTD that is not explosive growth.
    - misiti3780 4y ago
      stock price and growth are not the same thing. you're an idiot.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    That is very good, but roughly in line with other comparable companies. It's not "worth more than the rest of the car industry" explosive
    - kortilla 4y ago
      What other comparable company is growing 50% annually?
enumjorge 4y ago
> in the eyes of the media Everyone can see his tweets, public statements and interviews. Musk is doing a great job embarrassing himself without the help of “the media”.
- onelovetwo 4y ago
  and a lot think hes the only person with common sense in the tech/business world. I'd like to know though, what statement do you think is "embarrassing"?
  - scollet 4y ago
    I love the irony here.
    - onelovetwo 4y ago
      There's no irony, I was referring to his image in the media.
huhwat 4y ago
Tesla cars are garbage, speaking as a Tesla owner. They demo nicely, but they are put together poorly. The minute there's any meaningful competition they'll crumble. Combined with the risks from their autopilot system and their mistreatment of workers and their CEO being a right wing edgelord? There's plenty of reasons to think Tesla might not be on a good path.
- dntrkv 4y ago
  Tesla has been topping the list in terms of buyer satisfaction for many years now. They have their issues, but people love them.
  - huhwat 4y ago
    They did top the lists, but they've dropped off as owners deal with the reality of owning them. An electric car, competently built, will wow most folks. Remember that the satisfaction numbers are comparing apples to oranges, given the limited competition Tesla has at the moment.
    - dntrkv 4y ago
      https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/global-happy-motorist-index https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/global-happy-motorist-in... They're still at the top.
  - tzs 4y ago
    They've also been topping the lists of unreliability. Many people like the things Tesla does well enough to not be bothered by the things it does poorly so are satisfied. Tesla seems to have the best EV drivetrain in the business (I'm counting the battery as part of the drivetrain) and the best charging network, but seem to be worse in most other aspects. My guess is that the other car companies will catch up on EV drivetrains faster than Tesla can catch up on the rest of a car.
- 4y ago
bigbillheck 4y ago
Teslas have been exploding for several years now.
yokoprime 4y ago
And this is what i fail to understand. He has kept his nose clean, apart from some minor incidents ("pedo" tweet comes to mind). How does he have the time and why does he bother to spend his time making noise on Twitter. He should focus on the final push to get both of his major companies to the next level. It's almost as if he's gotten bored and wants to move on, but has to keep up the appearance of being involved in day-to-day managment of these companies
juve1996 4y ago
Musk has many achievements, that's why it's so frustrating to see him act this way. There are plenty of billionaires with unpopular politics. Only a few are in the news. That is by choice.

pclmulqdq 4y ago

Tesla has always been "about to explode" in one way or another. When will people realize that manufacturing businesses, when they are limited by property and equipment, are slow-burning? Also, "reusable" doesn't matter as much as "affordable" for rockets. I am waiting for one of the smaller companies with a dirt cheap rocket to eat SpaceX's lunch.

joenathanone 4y ago
Being reusable is the only way to make an affordable rocket.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  That's actually not true. For example, the Russian Soyuz is expected to still have lower cost per kg to LEO than the Falcon rockets from SpaceX. Fuel is the vast majority of the cost of a rocket launch.
  - asadotzler 4y ago
    That's completely wrong. Fuel is a tiny fraction of a rocket launch. At best, SpaceX's Falcon 9 costs $15 million to refurbish and re-launch (according to Musk). About $200,000 of that is fuel. That works out to 1.3% of costs which is far from "the vast majority."
    - pclmulqdq 4y ago
      $200,000 is the cost of the atoms in the fuel. Most of the rest of the $15 million is the cost to get those atoms to the right temperature and pressure when they are stored at a different temperature and pressure, transport those atoms, and put them in the shell. Not to mention the cost of cleaning and coating the fuel tanks to make sure that they are inert and won't react to the fuel (this has to be done on non-reusable rockets too). This is the typical sleight-of-hand that comes at Musk companies. The atoms in the fuel are cheap, but the process of turning those atoms into usable fuel is very expensive. This is the case for almost all rockets. The Soyuz is partly cheap to launch because it doesn't need a lot of special fuel handling.
      - saberience 4y ago
        err, are you forgetting the cost to literally build a rocket? Or are you arguing somehow that fuel costs more than building the first stage of a rocket? The idea somehow that Soyuz is cheaper than Falcon-9 is laughable.
        thraway11 4y ago
        Looks like SpaceX should've kept those employees after all. Apparently they work for free!
      - joenathanone 4y ago
        > is the cost of the atoms in the fuel. Are you being obtuse on purpose? The atoms of the fuel, really? Where can I buy fuel by the atom?
        pclmulqdq 4y ago
        You can buy the atoms from Sigma Aldrich or any other chemical supplier. You have to buy a lot of atoms, and you have to buy them by the liter. If you want rocket fuel from those chemicals, you are going to have to pressurize them and cool them or warm them, and you need a lot of energy and equipment to do it. That is the expensive part. Often, rocket fuels are heavily pressurized orsupercooled, and supercooling a gas is expensive. That allows you to store more energy in a given volume.
adolph 4y ago
The significant component of affordability for rockets is the cost of mass to orbit. Think airline model not private aviation.
misiti3780 4y ago
they are growing 50% y/o/y. that is explosive growth.
- Juicyy 4y ago
  Their stock is down 40% YTD that is not explosive growth.
  - misiti3780 4y ago
    stock price and growth are not the same thing. you're an idiot.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  That is very good, but roughly in line with other comparable companies. It's not "worth more than the rest of the car industry" explosive
  - kortilla 4y ago
    What other comparable company is growing 50% annually?

enumjorge 4y ago

> in the eyes of the media Everyone can see his tweets, public statements and interviews. Musk is doing a great job embarrassing himself without the help of “the media”.

onelovetwo 4y ago
and a lot think hes the only person with common sense in the tech/business world. I'd like to know though, what statement do you think is "embarrassing"?
- scollet 4y ago
  I love the irony here.
  - onelovetwo 4y ago
    There's no irony, I was referring to his image in the media.

huhwat 4y ago

Tesla cars are garbage, speaking as a Tesla owner. They demo nicely, but they are put together poorly. The minute there's any meaningful competition they'll crumble. Combined with the risks from their autopilot system and their mistreatment of workers and their CEO being a right wing edgelord? There's plenty of reasons to think Tesla might not be on a good path.

dntrkv 4y ago
Tesla has been topping the list in terms of buyer satisfaction for many years now. They have their issues, but people love them.
- huhwat 4y ago
  They did top the lists, but they've dropped off as owners deal with the reality of owning them. An electric car, competently built, will wow most folks. Remember that the satisfaction numbers are comparing apples to oranges, given the limited competition Tesla has at the moment.
  - dntrkv 4y ago
    https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisfaction/most-and-least-liked-car-brands-a1291429338/ https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-satisf... https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/global-happy-motorist-index https://zutobi.com/us/driver-guides/global-happy-motorist-in... They're still at the top.
- tzs 4y ago
  They've also been topping the lists of unreliability. Many people like the things Tesla does well enough to not be bothered by the things it does poorly so are satisfied. Tesla seems to have the best EV drivetrain in the business (I'm counting the battery as part of the drivetrain) and the best charging network, but seem to be worse in most other aspects. My guess is that the other car companies will catch up on EV drivetrains faster than Tesla can catch up on the rest of a car.
4y ago

bigbillheck 4y ago

Teslas have been exploding for several years now.

yokoprime 4y ago

And this is what i fail to understand. He has kept his nose clean, apart from some minor incidents ("pedo" tweet comes to mind). How does he have the time and why does he bother to spend his time making noise on Twitter. He should focus on the final push to get both of his major companies to the next level. It's almost as if he's gotten bored and wants to move on, but has to keep up the appearance of being involved in day-to-day managment of these companies

juve1996 4y ago

Musk has many achievements, that's why it's so frustrating to see him act this way. There are plenty of billionaires with unpopular politics. Only a few are in the news. That is by choice.