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I hope one day latency in general will be "back to normal". I still remember how fast console based computing, an old gameboy or a 90's macintosh would be - cl

I hope one day latency in general will be "back to normal". I still remember how fast console based computing, an old gameboy or a 90's macintosh would be - click a button and stuff would show up instantly. There was a tactility present with computers that's gone today. Today everything feels sluggish - just writing this comment on my $3000 Macbook Pro and i can feel the latency, sometimes there's even small pauses. A little when i write stuff, a lot when i drag windows. Hopefully the focus on 100hz+ screens in tech in general will put more focus on latency from click to screen print - now when resolution and interface graphics in general are close to biological limits.

41b696ef1113 4y ago
>Hopefully the focus on 100hz+ screens in tech Come again? I think anything beyond 60hz still qualifies as niche. Vendors are still selling 720p laptops.
- kllrnohj 4y ago
  Most flagship Android phones are >60hz and have been for a few years. Flagship iPhones and iPads are >60hz. Very nearly every gaming laptop is >60hz. Many new TVs are >60hz with inputs to match. These are not niche markets.
- theandrewbailey 4y ago
  My guess is that few people have stopped to compare them. I've never knowingly seen a 100+hz screen in person, so I stopped by a local store. Sure enough, I could tell that the motion was smoother. Bought 2. After using those, I can feel my older monitors that I'm using to write this are choppy.
  - LoveMortuus 4y ago
    But do you notice the smoothness in the day to day basis or have you, in a way, crippled yourself, because now the majority of monitors feel choppy to you? Sounds a bit like the, 'Never meet your heroes', thingy.
    - Gigachad 4y ago
      I 100% notice it but interestingly it doesn’t affect me on my laptop/desktop much since I use a mouse and scrolling is already not smooth. While mobile has smooth scrolling and a lot more animations/swipes.
      - LoveMortuus 4y ago
        Do you think that besides gaming there really any need to move to higher then 60Hz on desktops and laptops? My phone (POCO X3 PRO) allowed me to turn on 120Hz but when I do I don't notice any change except if I really look at it, like scrolling up and down very quickly while looking behind the phone I notice a difference, but otherwise I don't notice it, so I just have it turned off, should give more battery life.
- kossTKR 4y ago
  True, it's probably just bleeding edge, but i've noticed several flagship phones, have 90HZ, and the new iPad Pros have up to 120hz "smooth scrolling", so it seems something will be happening x years down the line.
LoveMortuus 4y ago
May I ask if you're using the M1 based MacBook or the Intel one? I'm asking because I've been thinking of getting a MacBook Air in the future with the intent to use it for writing.
- BeFlatXIII 4y ago
  I have an M1 Air right I'm typing on right now and have not had any sluggishness concerns besides when switching between Spaces. Even that is more of a visual stutter instead of actually lagging to the point the animation takes longer than usual. This is the first thin & light computer I've owned that I'm 100% happy with its performance.
  - slotrans 4y ago
    Switching between spaces on this M1 takes multiple seconds. It's almost unbearable. My 8-core 64GB Windows machine fares no better. Switching between OLVWM desktops on my 200MHz Pentium Pro twenty years ago was instantaneous.
    - saagarjha 4y ago
      Any idea what it’s doing during those several seconds?
      - kaba0 4y ago
        It’s just a too long animation.
    - aidos 4y ago
      Weird. I don't use Spaces (this is the multiple desktops thing, right?) but I've just tried it and it's not laggy at all for me. I turn on the reduce motion thing, so it fades between them rather than swiping, but neither feel laggy. (I'm on an M1 Air and I think the performance is great)
    - Aeolun 4y ago
      I’m fairly certain this is because the average quality of the people building this stuff has gone down.
hnick 4y ago
For me, there is far more latency on typical operations, but far less waiting for longer intensive operations like opening a program/tab or saving a file (bloat aside, some are guilty here). I'd also prefer the sluggishness gone if I had my choice between the two.

41b696ef1113 4y ago

>Hopefully the focus on 100hz+ screens in tech Come again? I think anything beyond 60hz still qualifies as niche. Vendors are still selling 720p laptops.

kllrnohj 4y ago
Most flagship Android phones are >60hz and have been for a few years. Flagship iPhones and iPads are >60hz. Very nearly every gaming laptop is >60hz. Many new TVs are >60hz with inputs to match. These are not niche markets.
theandrewbailey 4y ago
My guess is that few people have stopped to compare them. I've never knowingly seen a 100+hz screen in person, so I stopped by a local store. Sure enough, I could tell that the motion was smoother. Bought 2. After using those, I can feel my older monitors that I'm using to write this are choppy.
- LoveMortuus 4y ago
  But do you notice the smoothness in the day to day basis or have you, in a way, crippled yourself, because now the majority of monitors feel choppy to you? Sounds a bit like the, 'Never meet your heroes', thingy.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    I 100% notice it but interestingly it doesn’t affect me on my laptop/desktop much since I use a mouse and scrolling is already not smooth. While mobile has smooth scrolling and a lot more animations/swipes.
    - LoveMortuus 4y ago
      Do you think that besides gaming there really any need to move to higher then 60Hz on desktops and laptops? My phone (POCO X3 PRO) allowed me to turn on 120Hz but when I do I don't notice any change except if I really look at it, like scrolling up and down very quickly while looking behind the phone I notice a difference, but otherwise I don't notice it, so I just have it turned off, should give more battery life.
kossTKR 4y ago
True, it's probably just bleeding edge, but i've noticed several flagship phones, have 90HZ, and the new iPad Pros have up to 120hz "smooth scrolling", so it seems something will be happening x years down the line.

LoveMortuus 4y ago

May I ask if you're using the M1 based MacBook or the Intel one? I'm asking because I've been thinking of getting a MacBook Air in the future with the intent to use it for writing.

BeFlatXIII 4y ago
I have an M1 Air right I'm typing on right now and have not had any sluggishness concerns besides when switching between Spaces. Even that is more of a visual stutter instead of actually lagging to the point the animation takes longer than usual. This is the first thin & light computer I've owned that I'm 100% happy with its performance.
- slotrans 4y ago
  Switching between spaces on this M1 takes multiple seconds. It's almost unbearable. My 8-core 64GB Windows machine fares no better. Switching between OLVWM desktops on my 200MHz Pentium Pro twenty years ago was instantaneous.
  - saagarjha 4y ago
    Any idea what it’s doing during those several seconds?
    - kaba0 4y ago
      It’s just a too long animation.
  - aidos 4y ago
    Weird. I don't use Spaces (this is the multiple desktops thing, right?) but I've just tried it and it's not laggy at all for me. I turn on the reduce motion thing, so it fades between them rather than swiping, but neither feel laggy. (I'm on an M1 Air and I think the performance is great)
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    I’m fairly certain this is because the average quality of the people building this stuff has gone down.

hnick 4y ago

For me, there is far more latency on typical operations, but far less waiting for longer intensive operations like opening a program/tab or saving a file (bloat aside, some are guilty here). I'd also prefer the sluggishness gone if I had my choice between the two.