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The way to deal with that is to enshrine into law that Google are not the owners of this data, but merely stewards. My maps location data should not be availabl

The way to deal with that is to enshrine into law that Google are not the owners of this data, but merely stewards. My maps location data should not be available to other divisions within Google, and should only be available to the maps team to serve my interests. There are effective rules that your bank is not allowed to sell your account information. Your location information should be subject to much the same.

Dracophoenix 4y ago
That's where you bump up against copyright problems. For example anyone who composes a book or an opinion piece in the New York Times is obtaining data/information and publicizing it for profit. If you're going to argue that publishers of information don't/can't own the substance of their publication, how does one make a claim to the rights of what one has published? I would think GPS software operates on the same principle. The bank cannot directly sell your location information but they can disclose it to financial partners, likely for some financial quid pro quo. If you read the contracts on the You have to manually opt out by way of mail. I'm assuming Google does the same thing.
- TheCoelacanth 4y ago
  Facts can't be copyrighted.
  - Dracophoenix 4y ago
    But compilations of facts can be copyrighted. Textbooks, encyclopedias, and research papers are all copyrightable. In that regard, map data seems no different.
MBCook 4y ago
I’m not saying I’m against this law, but it gets messy very fast. When a business is busy is a part of Google Maps, but no one else but Apple could realistically try to duplicate it. That’s a hell of a wall against innovation. But can Google include that graph in search results? It’s part of Maps. But it’s derived from location data. But Google Search has location data, so maybe. But what if that would show different busy time? Do you have to show a different graph? What does Google Assistant do? I don’t know how we put the genie back in the box on this stuff. I like the idea. But I don’t know if it’s executable.

Dracophoenix 4y ago

That's where you bump up against copyright problems. For example anyone who composes a book or an opinion piece in the New York Times is obtaining data/information and publicizing it for profit. If you're going to argue that publishers of information don't/can't own the substance of their publication, how does one make a claim to the rights of what one has published? I would think GPS software operates on the same principle. The bank cannot directly sell your location information but they can disclose it to financial partners, likely for some financial quid pro quo. If you read the contracts on the You have to manually opt out by way of mail. I'm assuming Google does the same thing.

TheCoelacanth 4y ago
Facts can't be copyrighted.
- Dracophoenix 4y ago
  But compilations of facts can be copyrighted. Textbooks, encyclopedias, and research papers are all copyrightable. In that regard, map data seems no different.

MBCook 4y ago

I’m not saying I’m against this law, but it gets messy very fast. When a business is busy is a part of Google Maps, but no one else but Apple could realistically try to duplicate it. That’s a hell of a wall against innovation. But can Google include that graph in search results? It’s part of Maps. But it’s derived from location data. But Google Search has location data, so maybe. But what if that would show different busy time? Do you have to show a different graph? What does Google Assistant do? I don’t know how we put the genie back in the box on this stuff. I like the idea. But I don’t know if it’s executable.