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I really hate how cryptocurrency has sucked all the air out of the room with decentralization. The two are only somewhat related.

by api 4y ago

cmckn 4y ago
Federation is more fun IMO than the antagonistic, “trustless” crypto ecosystem. It’s also generally cheaper to participate in, whereas crypto nodes and miners will only get more expensive as it scales.
splitstud 4y ago
guywithahat 4y ago
Well it's the only one that's really taken off. The fediverse started to get bigger until mid-sized nodes started making ban lists and the largest nodes left, meanwhile nothing new is happening with torrents and chrome killed off native peer-to-peer libraries when they started being used by YouTube competitors As much as I personally dislike how crypto has been pitched it's the only field where decentralization has really entered the mainstream
- PeterisP 4y ago
  The things you list seem actual examples where decentralization did take off, but faded once people recognized the tradeoffs of other features implied by decentralization and the mainstream audience chose that they do not really want decentralization - i.e. it's not that it did not yet get a chance to take off, but rather that we-the-peopled tried it out and practically found out that for most use cases we prefer centralization.
  - api 4y ago
    I’ve tried to get into the fediverse many times. Every time the thing that stops me is stupid little problems of the sort that keep me in the Apple ecosystem instead of using Linux. I just keep running into confusing time consuming little issues and while I certainly can figure it out I don’t have time. None of the issues I’ve found are intrinsic to decentralization in any way. They’re just UI/UX design issues. Nothing about the federated or decentralized design would prevent them from being fixed.
- jerry1979 4y ago
  Do you have more in formation about these native peer-to-peer libraries that chrome killed off?

I really hate how cryptocurrency has sucked all the air out of the room with decentralization. The two are only somewhat related.

by api 4y ago

I really hate how cryptocurrency has sucked all the air out of the room with decentralization. The two are only somewhat related.

cmckn 4y ago

Federation is more fun IMO than the antagonistic, “trustless” crypto ecosystem. It’s also generally cheaper to participate in, whereas crypto nodes and miners will only get more expensive as it scales.

splitstud 4y ago

guywithahat 4y ago

Well it's the only one that's really taken off. The fediverse started to get bigger until mid-sized nodes started making ban lists and the largest nodes left, meanwhile nothing new is happening with torrents and chrome killed off native peer-to-peer libraries when they started being used by YouTube competitors As much as I personally dislike how crypto has been pitched it's the only field where decentralization has really entered the mainstream

PeterisP 4y ago
The things you list seem actual examples where decentralization did take off, but faded once people recognized the tradeoffs of other features implied by decentralization and the mainstream audience chose that they do not really want decentralization - i.e. it's not that it did not yet get a chance to take off, but rather that we-the-peopled tried it out and practically found out that for most use cases we prefer centralization.
- api 4y ago
  I’ve tried to get into the fediverse many times. Every time the thing that stops me is stupid little problems of the sort that keep me in the Apple ecosystem instead of using Linux. I just keep running into confusing time consuming little issues and while I certainly can figure it out I don’t have time. None of the issues I’ve found are intrinsic to decentralization in any way. They’re just UI/UX design issues. Nothing about the federated or decentralized design would prevent them from being fixed.
jerry1979 4y ago
Do you have more in formation about these native peer-to-peer libraries that chrome killed off?