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Considering the newspaper owned by the billionaire runs stories criticizing said billionaire's company's anti-union efforts [1], mayhap there's editorial indepe

Considering the newspaper owned by the billionaire runs stories criticizing said billionaire's company's anti-union efforts [1], mayhap there's editorial independence? [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/13/amazon-union-retaliation-allegations/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/13/amazon-...

toolz 4y ago
Whatever the motives (from whomever), the smear campaign from WaPo against musk is obvious enough that I've seen many people talking about it and even a twitter post detailing the many articles painting musk in a negative light and comparing that to other sources which if the data is taken at face value was very damning of WaPo. Personally I don't really care enough to investigate, but I thought it might provide some context as there appear to be (what I would assume) neutral parties commenting on the unfair reporting on musk from WaPo.
- trs8080 4y ago
  > obvious enough that I've seen many people talking about it and even a twitter post If you're accusing an investigative journalism outfit of bias, you'll need better evidence than "people talking about it and even a twitter post."
  - toolz 4y ago
    > If you're accusing I'm not, I agree that if I was then I would need evidence.
- dariusj18 4y ago
  > Personally I don't really care enough to investigate but you do care enough to comment on the internet with no evidence, thus your context is just disguised misinformation mixed with the hubris that your opinion matters.
  - toolz 4y ago
    Geez, some people really go out of there way to make things hostile. My opinion does matter, just ask my mom! I simply gave people some context and terms they can google if they're invested in this story. I'm not invested, and really don't much care if wapo is or isn't targeting musk. It doesn't affect my life one bit. If you think my comment isn't valuable, downvote and move on - that's what the arrows are for.
    - deleted 4y ago
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    - dariusj18 4y ago
      It's not just that your comment had no value, it had negative value. If it only had no value, I would have done as you said, downvoted and moved on. But since it's existence was a detraction, I felt it was important enough to attempt to mitigate the propagation of potential misinformation. I do apologize that adding the bit of "... hubris that your opinion matters" came across rather harshly and was unneeded to my point.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    > thus your context is just disguised misinformation mixed with the hubris that your opinion matters This is a really silly thing to say. You're posting your opinion. Is that hubris?
    - dariusj18 4y ago
      No, because hubris is about having "excessive pride", and it doesn't take much pride to decide that I can parse the English language and determine that the person I am replying to has made a fallacious statement.
systemvoltage 4y ago
I think this is least of the worries. WaPO has extreme left bias which while reporting the truth, omission of important facts as they see fit for their readership. HN’s left bias matches WaPO in perfect resonance. So, it’s difficult to even discuss it here.
- cityzen 4y ago
  Show me an example of “extreme left bias” on WaPo…
  - Tostino 4y ago
    For real, I don't think OP understands the term. Classically liberal is right wing, not left.
    - RobertWHurst 4y ago
      Classical liberal is only right wing if you slide left so hard you break the overton window.
      - beepbooptheory 4y ago
        Isn't this kind of misunderstanding what the overton window is? The window doesn't pay attention to the content of ideologies per se, just where a culture's sentiments gravitate towards. It doesn't in itself define political beliefs. At some point you need to actually care about principles!
      - robertlagrant 4y ago
        It's right wing in the sense of individualism vs collectivism.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  As someone with an actual "extreme left bias" claiming the WaPo is on the "extreme left" is hilarious. Using American political terms, I'd put the NYT as having a centrist Democrat bias, the WaPo as having a centrist Republican position and the WSJ having a Republican bias. All of them are pro-capitalist and different wings of the neoliberal party and really right wing in the way the rest of the world thinks about politics. I don't even understand this world where people can accuse the WaPo of being far left. Yeah, they shat all over Trump, but that just reflects how far Trump went completely off the reservation. And it created the surreal situation where every other week I was agreeing with something that Bill Kristol said. The fact that Trumpers feel the need to scream about how the WaPo is a bunch of communists really shows how intellectually bankrupt the whole thing is.

toolz 4y ago

Whatever the motives (from whomever), the smear campaign from WaPo against musk is obvious enough that I've seen many people talking about it and even a twitter post detailing the many articles painting musk in a negative light and comparing that to other sources which if the data is taken at face value was very damning of WaPo. Personally I don't really care enough to investigate, but I thought it might provide some context as there appear to be (what I would assume) neutral parties commenting on the unfair reporting on musk from WaPo.

trs8080 4y ago
> obvious enough that I've seen many people talking about it and even a twitter post If you're accusing an investigative journalism outfit of bias, you'll need better evidence than "people talking about it and even a twitter post."
- toolz 4y ago
  > If you're accusing I'm not, I agree that if I was then I would need evidence.
dariusj18 4y ago
> Personally I don't really care enough to investigate but you do care enough to comment on the internet with no evidence, thus your context is just disguised misinformation mixed with the hubris that your opinion matters.
- toolz 4y ago
  Geez, some people really go out of there way to make things hostile. My opinion does matter, just ask my mom! I simply gave people some context and terms they can google if they're invested in this story. I'm not invested, and really don't much care if wapo is or isn't targeting musk. It doesn't affect my life one bit. If you think my comment isn't valuable, downvote and move on - that's what the arrows are for.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - dariusj18 4y ago
    It's not just that your comment had no value, it had negative value. If it only had no value, I would have done as you said, downvoted and moved on. But since it's existence was a detraction, I felt it was important enough to attempt to mitigate the propagation of potential misinformation. I do apologize that adding the bit of "... hubris that your opinion matters" came across rather harshly and was unneeded to my point.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  > thus your context is just disguised misinformation mixed with the hubris that your opinion matters This is a really silly thing to say. You're posting your opinion. Is that hubris?
  - dariusj18 4y ago
    No, because hubris is about having "excessive pride", and it doesn't take much pride to decide that I can parse the English language and determine that the person I am replying to has made a fallacious statement.

systemvoltage 4y ago

I think this is least of the worries. WaPO has extreme left bias which while reporting the truth, omission of important facts as they see fit for their readership. HN’s left bias matches WaPO in perfect resonance. So, it’s difficult to even discuss it here.

cityzen 4y ago
Show me an example of “extreme left bias” on WaPo…
- Tostino 4y ago
  For real, I don't think OP understands the term. Classically liberal is right wing, not left.
  - RobertWHurst 4y ago
    Classical liberal is only right wing if you slide left so hard you break the overton window.
    - beepbooptheory 4y ago
      Isn't this kind of misunderstanding what the overton window is? The window doesn't pay attention to the content of ideologies per se, just where a culture's sentiments gravitate towards. It doesn't in itself define political beliefs. At some point you need to actually care about principles!
    - robertlagrant 4y ago
      It's right wing in the sense of individualism vs collectivism.
lamontcg 4y ago
As someone with an actual "extreme left bias" claiming the WaPo is on the "extreme left" is hilarious. Using American political terms, I'd put the NYT as having a centrist Democrat bias, the WaPo as having a centrist Republican position and the WSJ having a Republican bias. All of them are pro-capitalist and different wings of the neoliberal party and really right wing in the way the rest of the world thinks about politics. I don't even understand this world where people can accuse the WaPo of being far left. Yeah, they shat all over Trump, but that just reflects how far Trump went completely off the reservation. And it created the surreal situation where every other week I was agreeing with something that Bill Kristol said. The fact that Trumpers feel the need to scream about how the WaPo is a bunch of communists really shows how intellectually bankrupt the whole thing is.