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Satellite Detects Largest Release of Methane in the World
- Tozen 4y agoWonder if we are at the point where rogue nation states start blackmailing other countries to not cause a climate catastrophe. A game of "chicken", but instead of nuclear weapons, pollution will be used. "Want me to stop polluting? Pay me or give me..."
- kpozin 4y agoSee, for example, Brazil: https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/brazil-demand-us-pay-upfront-stalls-deal-save-amazon-forest-2021-04-15/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/brazil-demand-u...
- is_true 4y agoI think that's fair. The EU is trying to push stricter environmental laws in countries outside of The Union.
- pizzachan 4y agoMuch of Russia is essentially pro-global warming. They see the northern ice cap melting and their climate becoming more mild as a way to tap the potential of their land and northern coast.
- echelon 4y agoI had never considered this. Are there other countries with this stance? Do you have any sources?
- catchclose8919 4y agoUS, Canada, and some parts of Europe could also have a similar "silent" perspective... things will get worse, buy they'll be able to maintain a competitive advantage (so relatively speaking it could get better for them) at feeding people and keeping them healthy (and helping them live longer - don't undermine future monopolies on real anti-aging and medical techs... if you're a 140+ IQ individual and have a change of living 20+ yrs in another country, you will emigrate there), so all the world's best brains will "drain" towards them, giving them even more advantages. China should invest seriously into making itself more a more livable / enjoyable country and into securing its agriculture instead of their grand space, AI and social engineering projects, if they want the slightest chance of competing in the new game...
- titzer 4y agoThe US isn't that devious. It's more akin to a dog eating a trail of kibbles made of fossil fuels. Won't look up, can't stop, keeps tasting good.
- jvanderbot 4y agoAh, yes and no. There's probably a very serious assessment of risks at a national level, and the result: Heartland productivity, more droughts in SW, more floods in SE, better mobility in bearing strait, yadda yadda ... just kind of seemed OK and not worth fretting over vs the then-perceived economic cost of pivoting away from fossil fuels.
- catchclose8919 4y agowell, when the most devious thing ou can do is less/nothing... this is the big nasty ethical dilema with climate change and access to medicine... maybe evils vs stupid is just two sides of the same coin...
- wiredearp 4y agoHow climate change might benefit Russia, two articles over on https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/16/magazine/russia-climate-migration-crisis.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/16/magazine/russ... and https://medium.com/predict/how-climate-change-is-transforming-russia-into-the-biggest-superpower-25572d1524f4 https://medium.com/predict/how-climate-change-is-transformin...
- bequanna 4y agoThe upsides are seldom discussed but there seem to be many regions that would net benefit. For example, if average temps do indeed warm as some predict much of the Midwestern US and Canada would enjoy longer growing seasons which would result in more tillable farmland and larger yields.
- prometheus76 4y agoIncreased CO2 in the atmosphere also leads to larger agricultural yields. Commercial greenhouses pump CO2 into their greenhouses to raise the CO2 to 1200 ppm or so. This can double or even triple yield.
- trilbyglens 4y agoYou are fully ignoring the fact that it's not just warming, but also an increase in climate chaos. They are just as likely to get mega freezes randomly, along with regular tornadoes or droughts as they are to get longer growing seasons. Calling it "warming" is a misnomer.
- bequanna 4y agoNot quite. Calling it "warming" was found to be inconvenient once the observations failed to confirm the models. "Climate chaos" is the new sexy, focus-group tested term. Not based on science, but a solid foundation of confirmation bias.
- jamal-kumar 4y agoYou put things in scare-quotes until your house is blown down
- bequanna 4y agoThe area I live in has experienced floods, tornados, blizzards, thunderstorms since time immemorial. The frequency and intensity of these events hasn't changed, but our ability to measure, capture and share the effects with a large audience sure has. Something to think about.
- spurgu 4y agoJust common sense. Russia has vast resource-rich areas in Siberia that with global warming would become habitable. They have relatively few large coastal cities (compared to the US and Europe). And the Arctic sea being clear of ice year round would open up a shorter/faster shipping route for China-Europe than the current one through the Suez canal. Edit: Also to address your question about whether there are others, I'm Finnish and have strongly considered buying land in Lapland as a long-term investment (thinking grandchildren+ here).
- mistrial9 4y agomy retirement age neighbor from Pennsylvania is also "pro global warming" by this definition.
- Workaccount2 4y agoRussia is a petro state too. Without oil and gas they are nothing.
- throwaway71271 4y agowhat is america without gas and oil?
- Workaccount2 4y agoA tech and finance powerhouse.
- throwaway71271 4y agoneither of those exist without gas and oil :)
- silverspoonin 4y agoNeither of those exist without energy, which is a fine distinction from "gas and oil".
- spurgu 4y agoTech at the moment sure, but there's nothing that stops the geographical location from shifting. There are skilled IT people around the world, there just aren't that many tech hubs like Silicon Valley. Finance? Remind me again how much debt the US has and how close it was to defaulting last year (saved by being forced to raise the debt ceiling yet again)? Things aren't looking much better right now.
- bogomipz 4y ago>"Tech at the moment sure, but there's nothing that stops the geographical location from shifting. There are skilled IT people around the world, there just aren't that many tech hubs like Silicon Valley." Except that tech in the US is also NYC, Seattle, Austin and Boston too. It outgrew the SV hub years ago now. Those locations are the results of location shifting. >"Finance? Remind me again how much debt the US has and how close it was to defaulting last year (saved by being forced to raise the debt ceiling yet again)? Things aren't looking much better right now." "Finance" is used to describe the industry of and around investment banking. It is very different and distinct from the context of the US Treasury which you seem to be conflating. Further the US was never even close to actually defaulting on its debt last year. What happened in October was a bit of political theater around something known as the "debt ceiling." This is simply the agreed upon amount that congress says the US can have outstanding. This is very different from sovereign defaults that result from not having the means to pay. There is a primer here [1]. It's also unclear what you mean by "Things aren't looking much better right now." Despite experiencing the same stubborn inflation as the rest of the globe, the US has had something of a miracle recovery since the beginning of the pandemic. The unemployment rate as of May was 3.6% which is about what it was before the pandemic. There's been many other bright spots as well [2]. [1] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debt-ceiling.asp https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debt-ceiling.asp [2] https://www.thebalance.com/how-is-the-economy-doing-3306046 https://www.thebalance.com/how-is-the-economy-doing-3306046
- gdy 4y agoOh, please. 67% of Russians reported that they are worried or a little bit worried about global warming [0]. [0] https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2022-04/ipsos-earth-day-2022-global-advisor-survey-report-great-britain.pdf https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/...
- upsidesinclude 4y agoOh please yourself. Those people live in Moscow and St Petersburg. The Russian government does not act on an opinion poll of Russian people
- gdy 4y agoI think Ipsos[0] knows how to conduct its polls. Meanwhile an informal poll among 10000 users of a pizza delivery app gave 88% concerned about global warming[1]. That's your people living in Moscow and St. Petersburg. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipsos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipsos [1] https://www.asi.org.ru/news/2022/05/27/glavnymi-ekologicheskimi-problemami-rossiyane-schitayut-zagryaznenie-vozduha-vody-i-musor/ https://www.asi.org.ru/news/2022/05/27/glavnymi-ekologichesk...
- marcosdumay 4y agoMost of the Russian population concentrates on places with very intense heatwaves that make the international news often due to the amount of deaths. So, maybe there is some government propaganda that way, but I doubt most Russians would want hotter summers.
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- nealabq 4y agoAnother source: https://www.dailyexpertnews.com/science-space/one-location-95-tons-of-methane-per-hour/ https://www.dailyexpertnews.com/science-space/one-location-9... The releases are from a coal mine in Russia. Detected in January. The coal there is known to be mixed with pockets of methane, which they blow off with fans. So it's intentional, but probably not intentionally malicious.
- revscat 4y agoBut malicious nonetheless. I fail to see how this can be viewed as anything but a rather serious crime.
- qubex 4y agoI think you’re confusing ‘harmful’ and ‘malicious’. Maliciousness entails knowledge. Harmfulness can be unknowing. And as for crimes, they’re a jurisdiction-dependent notion. Let’s not play so fast & easy with terminology as to make it meaningless.
- kube-system 4y agoMaliciousness is more than just knowledge of doing harm. It is a desire to intentionally do harm.
- beefok 4y ago> Maliciousness entails knowledge Wouldn't using fans to blow off the methane require knowledge?
- RobertRoberts 4y agoBecause it may come off as biased and retaliatory? Consider all the persistent pollution from many other nations much worse than this that no one does a thing about.
- DoingIsLearning 4y agoWait until you find out about what happens with disused oil wells.
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- 0daystock 4y agoThe US alone emits almost 20,000 tons of methane per day just from eating hamburgers (.0126 pounds per hamburger x 300 million people) or about 10 more than this big scary Russian hole. Yet no one bats an eye.
- asperous 4y agoThere's quite a bit of discussion on GHG emissions of food, especially red meat. One video is here [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs
- jamal-kumar 4y agoOut of all the countries I've been to there's actually some which go even crazier than the USA. I think Brazil is notable in this regard, every restaurant I went into had steak. Even a pizza parlor is like you don't want pizza? We got Picanha!
- krallja 4y agoYour base assumption is that every American eats one hamburger per day?
- alexose 4y agoThat doesn’t sound right. It has to be at least two or three, minimum
- 0daystock 4y agoAdd in dairy and other animal products and the effect is much worse. But seeing from downvotes, people rather bury their head in the sand and blame an evil boogeyman than realize their own implication in the problem.
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- spurgu 4y ago1. Great, another thing that's "Putin's fault" 2. Great, due to #1 we don't really have any power anymore at the negotiation table