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Not just a simple murder/suicide, either, which frequently involves people who know each other. This is flat-out mass murder, terrorism, call it what you will.

Not just a simple murder/suicide, either, which frequently involves people who know each other. This is flat-out mass murder, terrorism, call it what you will. Killing hundreds of strangers would rank you at the top of any serial killer list.

travisgriggs 4y ago
We don’t have a lot of “what we’re you thinking?!” data on these pilots. I think if you do this servile type of job for years, the passengers become the cattle the rest of of the industry treats them as. My guess (but I’m am not a suicide contemplating jumbo liner pilot), is that any signal from those doing this is against the job/industry itself as the stressor in the pilot’s life. Perhaps we should avoid practices that dehumanize the pilot’s relationship with the cargo, er, uh, passengers. Maybe the stats say otherwise, but you don’t hear about a lot of tourist ride pilots (bush, etc) doing the in flight nose dive. I’m curious how many pilots take their lives in more traditional means (e.g. just themselves).
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  The weird thing about that is, at least in my experience, passengers tend to idolize the pilot. I half expect the pilot sees passengers not as cattle, but as subjects ;-).
cm2187 4y ago
That’s what I don’t understand. Do they just ignore the passengers when they want to just commit suicide? Seems hard to believe a professional pilot would not have the passengers in mind. Otherwise you need someone who is both suicidal and with psychopathic murderous pulsions, which should be extremely rare. But clearly it’s not. Like for school shootings, I wonder how much one event inspires the next one.
- MBCook 4y ago
  Yes. Look up the German Wings case, flight 9525. In short one pilot waited for the other to leave the cockpit, locked the door, and deliberately crashed the plane. He was so suicidal and distraught (thought he was going blind and thus would lose his job) he was willing to do it. If you read the full story it’s even sadder.
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  - rkk3 4y ago
    And just like school shootings, that German pilot studied MH370. The MH370 pilot likely did the same thing. He was separated from his wife & at his house they found he practiced the crash route on Microsoft Flight simulator.
    - MBCook 4y ago
      Really? I didn’t know that part. I knew that psychiatrists had told him to stop flying while things were so bad, which he obviously ignored. I didn’t know he had prepared like that though.

travisgriggs 4y ago

We don’t have a lot of “what we’re you thinking?!” data on these pilots. I think if you do this servile type of job for years, the passengers become the cattle the rest of of the industry treats them as. My guess (but I’m am not a suicide contemplating jumbo liner pilot), is that any signal from those doing this is against the job/industry itself as the stressor in the pilot’s life. Perhaps we should avoid practices that dehumanize the pilot’s relationship with the cargo, er, uh, passengers. Maybe the stats say otherwise, but you don’t hear about a lot of tourist ride pilots (bush, etc) doing the in flight nose dive. I’m curious how many pilots take their lives in more traditional means (e.g. just themselves).

rootusrootus 4y ago
The weird thing about that is, at least in my experience, passengers tend to idolize the pilot. I half expect the pilot sees passengers not as cattle, but as subjects ;-).

cm2187 4y ago

That’s what I don’t understand. Do they just ignore the passengers when they want to just commit suicide? Seems hard to believe a professional pilot would not have the passengers in mind. Otherwise you need someone who is both suicidal and with psychopathic murderous pulsions, which should be extremely rare. But clearly it’s not. Like for school shootings, I wonder how much one event inspires the next one.

MBCook 4y ago
Yes. Look up the German Wings case, flight 9525. In short one pilot waited for the other to leave the cockpit, locked the door, and deliberately crashed the plane. He was so suicidal and distraught (thought he was going blind and thus would lose his job) he was willing to do it. If you read the full story it’s even sadder.
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- rkk3 4y ago
  And just like school shootings, that German pilot studied MH370. The MH370 pilot likely did the same thing. He was separated from his wife & at his house they found he practiced the crash route on Microsoft Flight simulator.
  - MBCook 4y ago
    Really? I didn’t know that part. I knew that psychiatrists had told him to stop flying while things were so bad, which he obviously ignored. I didn’t know he had prepared like that though.