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Plasma 5.25

mikevm 4y ago
I don't understand why they still haven't changed their ugly black flat icons, they are just horrendous. And the default fonts on KDE have always been bad too. I feel that with just a couple of tweaks it could be much much more pleasant.
- ropeladder 4y ago
  Do you mean the little icons they use on eg Dolphin's "Places" panel? I agree they are not great. Does anyone know how to change them? I've been trying to use Nemo as my default file manager in Fedora KDE, but something broke where I can't actually launch anything from Nemo most of the time, so I'll probably go back to Dolphin.
  - jpcrs 4y ago
    Hey ropeladder, sorry for the plug comment. Saw your comment in the Kinesis Advantage topic about your trigger finger condition and would like to know how it evolved. If possible, could you contact me through jpcrs at pm.me? Cheers
- pxc 4y ago
  Does Plasma even have default fonts? IIRC it just uses whatever your system's default Serif and Sans-Serif fonts are, default config doesn't even refer to any specific fonts by name.
akagusu 4y ago
Plasma is the best modern desktop environment for Linux and yet people barely talk about it. It is complete, mature and works out-of-the-box. For users it has sane defaults but provides virtually endless customization and contrary to other desktop environments, user customization is encourage. For developers, it provides solid libraries to build upon, not like other libraries that are constantly changing and making developers' life harder. And yet, people don't care about it.
- IronWolve 4y ago
  I like kde, it was my main for a over a decade. I had lots of automation, then continual updates kept breaking my kde setup, as functionality was modified for things such as window setup, placement and size, to the teams correct way of functionality of settings should work. Bug fixes I guess. Took a many years of me interface hopping around, but I'm back at kde. I was using mate, but I'm back at kde on arch.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  I haven't even looked at KDE in many years (I'm not a DE kind of user and just use dwm), but this was true back in the KDE 3 days as well, which I considered much nicer than the contemporary Gnome 2 as well. I never quite understood why Gnome got so much more attention compared to KDE.
  - Wuzado 4y ago
    Bundling in major distros? (Say, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE(?)) GTK being open-source and quickly adopted by several popular projects? Being initially under the GNU Project? Probably a lot of factors adding together. KDE is pretty great, though.
  - account42 4y ago
    Gnome is Red Hat and Red Hat has a lot of influence over Linux as a whole. Once a long time ago there was also the licensing concern with Qt.
    - akagusu 4y ago
      Unfortunately nobody remembers that Red Hat has so much influence over the Linux stack that they practically own it.
- captainmuon 4y ago
  I never got over the renaming to Plasma. KDE 3 was great at it's time, but KDE4 / Plasma felt like this bloated, buggy desktop shell seemingly based on QML (not sure, but it looked like it did) with the strange cashew in the corner. Plasma was too configurable, with too many ways to break your setup. I'm sure it got a lot better, and people have even described Plasma 5.x as light weight. The times I tried it later, I liked it, but for the time being the Linux desktop has lost me and I'm using Mac :-)
mikro2nd 4y ago
Who the hell decided that windows no longer need a border? Clearly someone who never has overlapping windows open at the same time. It's a horror-show of trying to visually figure out where one window ends and the one beneath it begins because, well... white backgrounds look just the same as other white backgrounds. Please, for the love of everyone's bleeding eyes, put the border decorations back. (If I could find out where to change the styling myself it would be done already. But I can't and defaults matter!)
- viraptor 4y ago
  It's literally called "windows decorations" in the settings. https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Windows_Decorations https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Windows_Decorations See the "window border size" dropdown here https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/d/d2/SystemSettingsWindowsDecoration.png https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/d/d2/SystemSettings...
  - dTal 4y ago
    On my system, if you type "window borders" into krunner, it pops up the "Window Decorations" settings page. Krunner can be spooky sometimes.
    - mikro2nd 4y ago
      Krunner is my friend! ;) Between Krunner and a few custom hot-keys I seldom use a conventional app launcher any more...
  - mikro2nd 4y ago
    Thank you for that! Was disabled (so very light grey) because "Use Theme border size" was selected, so I never noticed the whole thing. I say again, though: Defaults matter!
- 5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
  I believe MS removed windows borders (on Windows) quite a while ago, and you don't even get a choice there. Maybe they've just copied that.
jasfi 4y ago
Looks a bit like MacOS, cool! Too bad the default is the taskbar. I would prefer a dock.
- zamalek 4y ago
  Lattedock is the best dock for any desktop environment I've used (including Windows/StarDock, MacOS/built-in, and Gnome/Dash-to-Dock). Install Latte, run Latte, and finally delete the bottom panel. It takes less than a minute to change it.
- yokoprime 4y ago
  It's more of a Windows 10 look. Gnome has a toolbar at the top giving it somewhat of a macOS feel (which I guess is why some skin it to death with macOS like widgets)
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    Yeah, KDE has always felt more Microsofty while GNOME has felt more Apple-adjacent. GNOME 2.x kind of reminds me of Classic Mac OS with a taskbar duct taped on while GNOME 3.x+ is kind of like what you’d get if you tried to turn iPadOS into a desktop OS. Nothing in the open desktop world really mirrors Aqua-era OS X or modern macOS which is a bit weird to me. ElementaryOS aesthetically reminds me of OS X 10.9, but doesn’t operate like it at all in practice, instead also feeling kind of iPad-ish like GNOME does.
    - smoldesu 4y ago
      GNOME 3 took most of the parts of Aqua that I liked and removed the ugly "lickability" from it to seem more professional. It was good (and controversial), but eventually they threw all that work away to Big Sur-ify their desktop.
      - Macha 4y ago
        Many of those "Big Sur" changes came to Gnome first, I remember my first impression of the design changes being "Looks like Gnome"
wiz21c 4y ago
I use plasma on debian current stable 10+ hours a day. It works really well except for a few bugs sometimes (diasppearing window decoration after using firefox). As a user, I like Plasma a lot but what I'd love is even more bug fixes. It's not that bugs are there by the dozen, I hardly encounter one, but I have a global feeling that little details here and there could be improved. Anyway, thx KDE for Plasma, it just rocks !
- ryantgtg 4y ago
  File reports!
JJMalina 4y ago
How is Plasma in terms of CPU, memory, and graphics load? When I switched from Mac OS X to Linux six years ago I tried Ubuntu but I found Gnome to be incredibly slow and resource intense. Then I tried Xubuntu and I've used it ever since. I'm pretty happy running XFCE on two 4K screens with my desktop and on my hidpi Lenovo laptop. I've noticed Plasma continuing to improve and people recommending it so now I'm more keen to test it out. Besides the improved UX are there any other advantages of Plasma over XFCE?
- quantumfissure 4y ago
  Honestly, At this point, KDE is just as light as XFCE and Gnome is pretty low too. From my testing, minimal KDE on Arch or Gentoo install pulls it ~450-500mb at boot, Manjaro and Suse around 550-600mb. Fresh Gnome on Arch or Gentoo I've seen ~650 at boot and around 750 with Ubuntu, around 650-700 with Fedora. Gnome's Wayland implementation is much better then KDE at this moment, but KDE is quickly catching up. Nvidia still lacks, even with their EGL support. I use a Nvidia 1060 6gb on an updated (KDE 5.24), but several year old Manjaro KDE install with XOrg as a daily driver, and it's very smooth for me. Games work great. Maybe some occasional stuttering on my monitors that are 144 and 60hz (xorg limitation). Gnome's gestures and by far and away better then KDE's too (at least as of 5.24, but 5.25 adds many more).
  - lolpython 4y ago
    > Gnome's Wayland implementation is much better then KDE at this moment Agreed, with a caveat— Gnome's Mutter compositor for Wayland has bugs. It does not support server side rendered window decorations while KDE does. This means that the title bars for Alacritty[0] terminal emulator and the mpv[1] video player are ugly and not so functional. This is an intentional decision by the GNOME team[2]. Also the screen locks while watching videos on mpv because Mutter does not support the idle-inhibit protocol, although work is currently being done on this[3]. [0]: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5956 https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5956 [1]: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/7186 https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/7186 [2]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/217 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/217 [3]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/111 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/111
Gracana 4y ago
I recently switched from Ubuntu to Arch with Plasma, and this is the first time I've been truly happy with a KDE desktop. It all works, it's snappy on my 8th gen intel system with AMD graphics, I've been able to tweak anything I wanted to tweak, hidpi looks good, and now there's a new release and it's looking even better.
- ryantgtg 4y ago
  I’ve used KDE and Arch for the last three years and it’s been great and pain-free. I got a new Thinkpad last week and used the archinstall installer, and was up and going in 15 minutes. Very smooth. KDE devs are regularly in the kde subreddit and they seem nice and approachable.
  - Gracana 4y ago
    Good to know. I should stop by and give my thanks for all the good work.
- babypuncher 4y ago
  I was happy with KDE 3.5 back in the before times. Then KDE 4 happened. I'm glad we are back in a good place with KDE 5, but it felt like it took way too long.
- raffraffraff 4y ago
  Same, except OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. First time using any SUSE distro for over 15 years, and it's really nice. I don't really want to tweak everything, and Tumbleweed has a nice UI to quickly switch between DE lookalikes (like, click this one too get top menu, bottom dock)
mattlondon 4y ago
Brilliant! Now all we need is reliable WiFi, Bluetooth, CPU power management, wake from sleep, screen scaling, and audio and we'll be ready for Linux on the desktop! /s Less sarcastically though, I found plasma to be the most usable of the bunch and glad to see the release cadence continuing. Gnome et al feel like they are on a relentless march to replicate Mac OS as closely as possible. I find Mac OS's approach to multitasking actively user-hostile, so something same like plasma is welcome. Ironically I migrated to Mac OS because hardware support in Linux on common dell hardware is just not there, even in the 2020s
- haolez 4y ago
  I've just came back to Linux, with Plasma nonetheless, and the only problem I had from this list was that sleep was consuming a lot of battery. Besides that, everything worked fine. It's good enough :)
  - qudat 4y ago
    sleep_then_hibernate is the setting I used and it worked great for preserving battery life.
    - pxc 4y ago
      This is how Macs sleep, and it's really good. The same behavior got rolled into systemd as a ready-made, shipped-by-default option a year or two ago, but you may still gave to turn it on depending on your distro. It's definitely worth it.
  - GekkePrutser 4y ago
    If sleep is consuming a lot of battery it's more of a hardware/firmware problem. Because during sleep at (at least the sleep states that Linux supports!) nothing is actively running, only the memory contents are preserved. What could also be is that it's not actually sleeping.
- itwillnotbeasy 4y ago
  Have used multiple monitors with latest KDE, and never had an issue with display scaling - both fonts and icons look good, whereas in MacOS fonts are just terrible on external displays, so far tried 23" 1080p, 27" 1440p and 34" ultrawide 1440p with the same result. And KDE also allows changing external display scale, where MacOS only offer setting lower resolution, seriously, wtf? That's a pity that in year 2022 apple sells notebook with only 16GB of RAM for $2000 and there is still no adequate alternative for the macbooks in terms of hardware, battery life and driver support. MacOS feels so limited compared to KDE, even base functionality like alt+tab that shows windows previews(and not icons), or window arrangment with keyboards shortcuts or by dragging to the display corners, is not possible without 3rd party software.
dethos 4y ago
Excellent. Since it was released, Plasma 5 has been my Linux desktop environment of choice and, truth be told, it keeps getting better and better. Nowadays I can't stand an environment without the sane defaults and powerful customization capabilities we can find in Plasma/KDE. A big "thank you" to all KDE contributors.
GekkePrutser 4y ago
When is this out? It mentions a sneak peek so I assume it isn't already. Overall the changes sound nice. I hope they'll keep the other window overview options though. I like the grid view in particular, because I use a 3x3 desktop grid (and I use the numpad as a quick switch for this)
- lproven 4y ago
  It's out now. I just ran Neon in Virtualbox. Works fine. You need to manually install `dkms` and `virtualbox-guest-x11` and then you can enable VBox' hardware acceleration and try it. The floating taskbar is quite fun. Reminds me of Deepin. :-)
solarkraft 4y ago
This is exciting. It seems like they're making another big push towards usability (I'm especially excited about the real, i.e. finger-following gestures).

I don't understand why they still haven't changed their ugly black flat icons, they are just horrendous. And the default fonts on KDE have always been bad too. I feel that with just a couple of tweaks it could be much much more pleasant.

ropeladder 4y ago
Do you mean the little icons they use on eg Dolphin's "Places" panel? I agree they are not great. Does anyone know how to change them? I've been trying to use Nemo as my default file manager in Fedora KDE, but something broke where I can't actually launch anything from Nemo most of the time, so I'll probably go back to Dolphin.
- jpcrs 4y ago
  Hey ropeladder, sorry for the plug comment. Saw your comment in the Kinesis Advantage topic about your trigger finger condition and would like to know how it evolved. If possible, could you contact me through jpcrs at pm.me? Cheers
pxc 4y ago
Does Plasma even have default fonts? IIRC it just uses whatever your system's default Serif and Sans-Serif fonts are, default config doesn't even refer to any specific fonts by name.

akagusu 4y ago

Plasma is the best modern desktop environment for Linux and yet people barely talk about it. It is complete, mature and works out-of-the-box. For users it has sane defaults but provides virtually endless customization and contrary to other desktop environments, user customization is encourage. For developers, it provides solid libraries to build upon, not like other libraries that are constantly changing and making developers' life harder. And yet, people don't care about it.

IronWolve 4y ago
I like kde, it was my main for a over a decade. I had lots of automation, then continual updates kept breaking my kde setup, as functionality was modified for things such as window setup, placement and size, to the teams correct way of functionality of settings should work. Bug fixes I guess. Took a many years of me interface hopping around, but I'm back at kde. I was using mate, but I'm back at kde on arch.
Beltalowda 4y ago
I haven't even looked at KDE in many years (I'm not a DE kind of user and just use dwm), but this was true back in the KDE 3 days as well, which I considered much nicer than the contemporary Gnome 2 as well. I never quite understood why Gnome got so much more attention compared to KDE.
- Wuzado 4y ago
  Bundling in major distros? (Say, Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, SUSE(?)) GTK being open-source and quickly adopted by several popular projects? Being initially under the GNU Project? Probably a lot of factors adding together. KDE is pretty great, though.
- account42 4y ago
  Gnome is Red Hat and Red Hat has a lot of influence over Linux as a whole. Once a long time ago there was also the licensing concern with Qt.
  - akagusu 4y ago
    Unfortunately nobody remembers that Red Hat has so much influence over the Linux stack that they practically own it.
captainmuon 4y ago
I never got over the renaming to Plasma. KDE 3 was great at it's time, but KDE4 / Plasma felt like this bloated, buggy desktop shell seemingly based on QML (not sure, but it looked like it did) with the strange cashew in the corner. Plasma was too configurable, with too many ways to break your setup. I'm sure it got a lot better, and people have even described Plasma 5.x as light weight. The times I tried it later, I liked it, but for the time being the Linux desktop has lost me and I'm using Mac :-)

mikro2nd 4y ago

Who the hell decided that windows no longer need a border? Clearly someone who never has overlapping windows open at the same time. It's a horror-show of trying to visually figure out where one window ends and the one beneath it begins because, well... white backgrounds look just the same as other white backgrounds. Please, for the love of everyone's bleeding eyes, put the border decorations back. (If I could find out where to change the styling myself it would be done already. But I can't and defaults matter!)

viraptor 4y ago
It's literally called "windows decorations" in the settings. https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Windows_Decorations https://userbase.kde.org/System_Settings/Windows_Decorations See the "window border size" dropdown here https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/d/d2/SystemSettingsWindowsDecoration.png https://userbase.kde.org/images.userbase/d/d2/SystemSettings...
- dTal 4y ago
  On my system, if you type "window borders" into krunner, it pops up the "Window Decorations" settings page. Krunner can be spooky sometimes.
  - mikro2nd 4y ago
    Krunner is my friend! ;) Between Krunner and a few custom hot-keys I seldom use a conventional app launcher any more...
- mikro2nd 4y ago
  Thank you for that! Was disabled (so very light grey) because "Use Theme border size" was selected, so I never noticed the whole thing. I say again, though: Defaults matter!
5e92cb50239222b 4y ago
I believe MS removed windows borders (on Windows) quite a while ago, and you don't even get a choice there. Maybe they've just copied that.

jasfi 4y ago

Looks a bit like MacOS, cool! Too bad the default is the taskbar. I would prefer a dock.

zamalek 4y ago
Lattedock is the best dock for any desktop environment I've used (including Windows/StarDock, MacOS/built-in, and Gnome/Dash-to-Dock). Install Latte, run Latte, and finally delete the bottom panel. It takes less than a minute to change it.
yokoprime 4y ago
It's more of a Windows 10 look. Gnome has a toolbar at the top giving it somewhat of a macOS feel (which I guess is why some skin it to death with macOS like widgets)
- kitsunesoba 4y ago
  Yeah, KDE has always felt more Microsofty while GNOME has felt more Apple-adjacent. GNOME 2.x kind of reminds me of Classic Mac OS with a taskbar duct taped on while GNOME 3.x+ is kind of like what you’d get if you tried to turn iPadOS into a desktop OS. Nothing in the open desktop world really mirrors Aqua-era OS X or modern macOS which is a bit weird to me. ElementaryOS aesthetically reminds me of OS X 10.9, but doesn’t operate like it at all in practice, instead also feeling kind of iPad-ish like GNOME does.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    GNOME 3 took most of the parts of Aqua that I liked and removed the ugly "lickability" from it to seem more professional. It was good (and controversial), but eventually they threw all that work away to Big Sur-ify their desktop.
    - Macha 4y ago
      Many of those "Big Sur" changes came to Gnome first, I remember my first impression of the design changes being "Looks like Gnome"

wiz21c 4y ago

I use plasma on debian current stable 10+ hours a day. It works really well except for a few bugs sometimes (diasppearing window decoration after using firefox). As a user, I like Plasma a lot but what I'd love is even more bug fixes. It's not that bugs are there by the dozen, I hardly encounter one, but I have a global feeling that little details here and there could be improved. Anyway, thx KDE for Plasma, it just rocks !

ryantgtg 4y ago
File reports!

JJMalina 4y ago

How is Plasma in terms of CPU, memory, and graphics load? When I switched from Mac OS X to Linux six years ago I tried Ubuntu but I found Gnome to be incredibly slow and resource intense. Then I tried Xubuntu and I've used it ever since. I'm pretty happy running XFCE on two 4K screens with my desktop and on my hidpi Lenovo laptop. I've noticed Plasma continuing to improve and people recommending it so now I'm more keen to test it out. Besides the improved UX are there any other advantages of Plasma over XFCE?

quantumfissure 4y ago
Honestly, At this point, KDE is just as light as XFCE and Gnome is pretty low too. From my testing, minimal KDE on Arch or Gentoo install pulls it ~450-500mb at boot, Manjaro and Suse around 550-600mb. Fresh Gnome on Arch or Gentoo I've seen ~650 at boot and around 750 with Ubuntu, around 650-700 with Fedora. Gnome's Wayland implementation is much better then KDE at this moment, but KDE is quickly catching up. Nvidia still lacks, even with their EGL support. I use a Nvidia 1060 6gb on an updated (KDE 5.24), but several year old Manjaro KDE install with XOrg as a daily driver, and it's very smooth for me. Games work great. Maybe some occasional stuttering on my monitors that are 144 and 60hz (xorg limitation). Gnome's gestures and by far and away better then KDE's too (at least as of 5.24, but 5.25 adds many more).
- lolpython 4y ago
  > Gnome's Wayland implementation is much better then KDE at this moment Agreed, with a caveat— Gnome's Mutter compositor for Wayland has bugs. It does not support server side rendered window decorations while KDE does. This means that the title bars for Alacritty[0] terminal emulator and the mpv[1] video player are ugly and not so functional. This is an intentional decision by the GNOME team[2]. Also the screen locks while watching videos on mpv because Mutter does not support the idle-inhibit protocol, although work is currently being done on this[3]. [0]: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5956 https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/5956 [1]: https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/7186 https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/7186 [2]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/217 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/217 [3]: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/111 https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/111

Gracana 4y ago

I recently switched from Ubuntu to Arch with Plasma, and this is the first time I've been truly happy with a KDE desktop. It all works, it's snappy on my 8th gen intel system with AMD graphics, I've been able to tweak anything I wanted to tweak, hidpi looks good, and now there's a new release and it's looking even better.

ryantgtg 4y ago
I’ve used KDE and Arch for the last three years and it’s been great and pain-free. I got a new Thinkpad last week and used the archinstall installer, and was up and going in 15 minutes. Very smooth. KDE devs are regularly in the kde subreddit and they seem nice and approachable.
- Gracana 4y ago
  Good to know. I should stop by and give my thanks for all the good work.
babypuncher 4y ago
I was happy with KDE 3.5 back in the before times. Then KDE 4 happened. I'm glad we are back in a good place with KDE 5, but it felt like it took way too long.
raffraffraff 4y ago
Same, except OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. First time using any SUSE distro for over 15 years, and it's really nice. I don't really want to tweak everything, and Tumbleweed has a nice UI to quickly switch between DE lookalikes (like, click this one too get top menu, bottom dock)

mattlondon 4y ago

Brilliant! Now all we need is reliable WiFi, Bluetooth, CPU power management, wake from sleep, screen scaling, and audio and we'll be ready for Linux on the desktop! /s Less sarcastically though, I found plasma to be the most usable of the bunch and glad to see the release cadence continuing. Gnome et al feel like they are on a relentless march to replicate Mac OS as closely as possible. I find Mac OS's approach to multitasking actively user-hostile, so something same like plasma is welcome. Ironically I migrated to Mac OS because hardware support in Linux on common dell hardware is just not there, even in the 2020s

haolez 4y ago
I've just came back to Linux, with Plasma nonetheless, and the only problem I had from this list was that sleep was consuming a lot of battery. Besides that, everything worked fine. It's good enough :)
- qudat 4y ago
  sleep_then_hibernate is the setting I used and it worked great for preserving battery life.
  - pxc 4y ago
    This is how Macs sleep, and it's really good. The same behavior got rolled into systemd as a ready-made, shipped-by-default option a year or two ago, but you may still gave to turn it on depending on your distro. It's definitely worth it.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  If sleep is consuming a lot of battery it's more of a hardware/firmware problem. Because during sleep at (at least the sleep states that Linux supports!) nothing is actively running, only the memory contents are preserved. What could also be is that it's not actually sleeping.
itwillnotbeasy 4y ago
Have used multiple monitors with latest KDE, and never had an issue with display scaling - both fonts and icons look good, whereas in MacOS fonts are just terrible on external displays, so far tried 23" 1080p, 27" 1440p and 34" ultrawide 1440p with the same result. And KDE also allows changing external display scale, where MacOS only offer setting lower resolution, seriously, wtf? That's a pity that in year 2022 apple sells notebook with only 16GB of RAM for $2000 and there is still no adequate alternative for the macbooks in terms of hardware, battery life and driver support. MacOS feels so limited compared to KDE, even base functionality like alt+tab that shows windows previews(and not icons), or window arrangment with keyboards shortcuts or by dragging to the display corners, is not possible without 3rd party software.

dethos 4y ago

Excellent. Since it was released, Plasma 5 has been my Linux desktop environment of choice and, truth be told, it keeps getting better and better. Nowadays I can't stand an environment without the sane defaults and powerful customization capabilities we can find in Plasma/KDE. A big "thank you" to all KDE contributors.

GekkePrutser 4y ago

When is this out? It mentions a sneak peek so I assume it isn't already. Overall the changes sound nice. I hope they'll keep the other window overview options though. I like the grid view in particular, because I use a 3x3 desktop grid (and I use the numpad as a quick switch for this)

lproven 4y ago
It's out now. I just ran Neon in Virtualbox. Works fine. You need to manually install `dkms` and `virtualbox-guest-x11` and then you can enable VBox' hardware acceleration and try it. The floating taskbar is quite fun. Reminds me of Deepin. :-)

solarkraft 4y ago

This is exciting. It seems like they're making another big push towards usability (I'm especially excited about the real, i.e. finger-following gestures).