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That's my point. UKIP and BXP disintegrated because their more competent members colonized the Conservative Party, which is now much more radical and far-right

That's my point. UKIP and BXP disintegrated because their more competent members colonized the Conservative Party, which is now much more radical and far-right than it was under Cameron. The only surviving cabinet minister from Cameron's era (2010-2016) is Michael Gove. The rest are all new faces with far right credentials and a commitment to the hardest of hard Brexits.

eushebdbsh 4y ago
so they haven't drifted away from the right. the centre has moved right
eyko 4y ago
> new faces with far right credentials I'm not sure what your definition of far right is but that statement is quite far from the truth.
- MagnumOpus 4y ago
  That statement is very much the truth. I don't know whether you follow politics outside the UK, or whether you remember the UK from 10 years ago? In both cases the policies of the current government -- from hard Brexit to unilaterally renouncing the GFA to interning asylum seekers in Rwanda to deporting pension-aged Windrush people to the Caribbean to the "hostile environment" for legal immigrants and foreign students etc etc -- are far more to the right than the derided far-right parties espouse in France or Germany, and far more to the right than the UKIP or BNP ever asked for...
  - eyko 4y ago
    To be fair, I've only lived in the UK for just over a decade. That being said, I do remember BNP and the EDL. Whilst there's an intersection between EDL/BNP and present-day Brexit (i.e. Conservative party) supporters, I wouldn't say the government represents the views held by the former. In fact, groups like the BNP advocated for compulsory deportation of non-whites (during Tyndall) and later pivoted to a modern version of politely asking us to leave[1]. Whilst Windrush was comparable, I don't think it is to the scale of what a BNP majority would've ever looked like. Regarding the GFA, I'm obviously lacking context and perspective, but I see it more as an oversight and bad leadership than an intentional break away from it, but with the current government I never know what to think. 1. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/20/bnp-membership-list-analysis https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/20/bnp-members... "...firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home".
dankboys 4y ago
Nothing says "British far right" like a Cabinet full of ethnic minorities.
- scott_w 4y ago
  Our Home Secretary has just instituted an illegal policy of deporting African and Asian refugees to Rwanda. Irrespective of the colour of her skin, her actions are those of the far right.
  - dankboys 4y ago
    The...legal policy?
    - scott_w 4y ago
      The policy so legal, everyone is now pulled from the flight and it was cancelled after a challenge to the ECHR.
  - robin_reala 4y ago
    I thouroughly disagree with the practice and it’s morally repugnant, but hasn’t it just been court-tested and declared legal? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/10/uk-deportation-flight-rwanda-can-go-ahead-high-court-judge-rules https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/10/uk-deportati...
    - scott_w 4y ago
      No, it hasn’t. The court ruled that there’s nothing in U.K. law that bars specific flights but they didn’t rule on the legality of the policy itself. This will be challenged at the court of appeal and will, eventually, be found a breach of international law.
      - 88 4y ago
        So it’s illegal in your opinion but not in actual fact?
carnitine 4y ago
Who exactly in the cabinet is far right? Truss, Sunak, Javid, Raab and the rest hardly come across as the right wing mob. Rees-Mogg is the only one who maybe comes remotely close and he’s got one of the most minor positions.
- scott_w 4y ago
  Truss is moving to break a treaty to appease the far right nutters in her party. Javid, as Home Secretary, stripped a teenager of her British citizenship, leaving her stateless and stranded somewhere in Iraq or Syria.
  - Veen 4y ago
    The teenager is a terrorist sympathiser who left the UK to join Isis. And she isn’t a teenager any more.
    - scott_w 4y ago
      Irrespective of what she may or may not have done, her citizenship was stripped on flimsy legal pretexts to satisfy their racist supporters.
      - Veen 4y ago
        That's total bollocks.
  - forgingahead 4y ago
    For those reading along, the "teenager" being referenced is Shamima Begum, who ran away from home when she was 15 to allegedly join ISIS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum There's an interesting discussion to be had about whether a government official can strip someone of their citizenship (even though in the UK it seems to be part of their powers under the Nationality Act) - it's not correct to frame this emotionally under "deported a teenager" when there are specific issues at play here. Same with slandering anyone who is not politically aligned with you as "far right".
camjw 4y ago
Notwithstanding the bizarre "far right credentials" point: - Liz Truss (current Foreign Secretary) was SoS for DEFRA under David Cameron. - Sajid Javid (current Health SoS) was BEIS SoS under David Cameron. - Grant Shapps (current Transport SoS) was Minister for Housing under David Cameron and later party chairman. - Brandon Lewis (current SoS for Northern Ireland) was Minister for Housing under DC. - Ben Wallace (clearly ultra right wing (/s), and SoS for Defence), Minister for Northern Ireland under DC. I don't think this is an exhausive list, these are just the SoSs I can think of off the top of my head. Your statement is just so untrue it just makes me think you don't know much about UK politics and don't really care enough to even google your "facts".
krona 4y ago
> The rest are all new faces with far right credentials What does that even mean? That anyone who wasn't a member of the SWP in their youth is automatically a closet fascist?
- camjw 4y ago
  Ben Wallace probably gonna go home and have a silent cry if it he hears someone has been calling him "far right".

eushebdbsh 4y ago

so they haven't drifted away from the right. the centre has moved right

eyko 4y ago

> new faces with far right credentials I'm not sure what your definition of far right is but that statement is quite far from the truth.

MagnumOpus 4y ago
That statement is very much the truth. I don't know whether you follow politics outside the UK, or whether you remember the UK from 10 years ago? In both cases the policies of the current government -- from hard Brexit to unilaterally renouncing the GFA to interning asylum seekers in Rwanda to deporting pension-aged Windrush people to the Caribbean to the "hostile environment" for legal immigrants and foreign students etc etc -- are far more to the right than the derided far-right parties espouse in France or Germany, and far more to the right than the UKIP or BNP ever asked for...
- eyko 4y ago
  To be fair, I've only lived in the UK for just over a decade. That being said, I do remember BNP and the EDL. Whilst there's an intersection between EDL/BNP and present-day Brexit (i.e. Conservative party) supporters, I wouldn't say the government represents the views held by the former. In fact, groups like the BNP advocated for compulsory deportation of non-whites (during Tyndall) and later pivoted to a modern version of politely asking us to leave[1]. Whilst Windrush was comparable, I don't think it is to the scale of what a BNP majority would've ever looked like. Regarding the GFA, I'm obviously lacking context and perspective, but I see it more as an oversight and bad leadership than an intentional break away from it, but with the current government I never know what to think. 1. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/20/bnp-membership-list-analysis https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/20/bnp-members... "...firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home".

dankboys 4y ago

Nothing says "British far right" like a Cabinet full of ethnic minorities.

scott_w 4y ago
Our Home Secretary has just instituted an illegal policy of deporting African and Asian refugees to Rwanda. Irrespective of the colour of her skin, her actions are those of the far right.
- dankboys 4y ago
  The...legal policy?
  - scott_w 4y ago
    The policy so legal, everyone is now pulled from the flight and it was cancelled after a challenge to the ECHR.
- robin_reala 4y ago
  I thouroughly disagree with the practice and it’s morally repugnant, but hasn’t it just been court-tested and declared legal? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/10/uk-deportation-flight-rwanda-can-go-ahead-high-court-judge-rules https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/10/uk-deportati...
  - scott_w 4y ago
    No, it hasn’t. The court ruled that there’s nothing in U.K. law that bars specific flights but they didn’t rule on the legality of the policy itself. This will be challenged at the court of appeal and will, eventually, be found a breach of international law.
    - 88 4y ago
      So it’s illegal in your opinion but not in actual fact?

carnitine 4y ago

Who exactly in the cabinet is far right? Truss, Sunak, Javid, Raab and the rest hardly come across as the right wing mob. Rees-Mogg is the only one who maybe comes remotely close and he’s got one of the most minor positions.

scott_w 4y ago
Truss is moving to break a treaty to appease the far right nutters in her party. Javid, as Home Secretary, stripped a teenager of her British citizenship, leaving her stateless and stranded somewhere in Iraq or Syria.
- Veen 4y ago
  The teenager is a terrorist sympathiser who left the UK to join Isis. And she isn’t a teenager any more.
  - scott_w 4y ago
    Irrespective of what she may or may not have done, her citizenship was stripped on flimsy legal pretexts to satisfy their racist supporters.
    - Veen 4y ago
      That's total bollocks.
- forgingahead 4y ago
  For those reading along, the "teenager" being referenced is Shamima Begum, who ran away from home when she was 15 to allegedly join ISIS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shamima_Begum There's an interesting discussion to be had about whether a government official can strip someone of their citizenship (even though in the UK it seems to be part of their powers under the Nationality Act) - it's not correct to frame this emotionally under "deported a teenager" when there are specific issues at play here. Same with slandering anyone who is not politically aligned with you as "far right".

camjw 4y ago

Notwithstanding the bizarre "far right credentials" point: - Liz Truss (current Foreign Secretary) was SoS for DEFRA under David Cameron. - Sajid Javid (current Health SoS) was BEIS SoS under David Cameron. - Grant Shapps (current Transport SoS) was Minister for Housing under David Cameron and later party chairman. - Brandon Lewis (current SoS for Northern Ireland) was Minister for Housing under DC. - Ben Wallace (clearly ultra right wing (/s), and SoS for Defence), Minister for Northern Ireland under DC. I don't think this is an exhausive list, these are just the SoSs I can think of off the top of my head. Your statement is just so untrue it just makes me think you don't know much about UK politics and don't really care enough to even google your "facts".

krona 4y ago

> The rest are all new faces with far right credentials What does that even mean? That anyone who wasn't a member of the SWP in their youth is automatically a closet fascist?

camjw 4y ago
Ben Wallace probably gonna go home and have a silent cry if it he hears someone has been calling him "far right".