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A hybrid car is the worst of both worlds. Most people would always have been fine 99% of the time with a short range EV like a Nissan Leaf. But the human brain

A hybrid car is the worst of both worlds. Most people would always have been fine 99% of the time with a short range EV like a Nissan Leaf. But the human brain can't let go of the "what if" and long range EVs have proven necessary for large scale adoption. Regardless, batteries are highly recyclable. Lithium is super plentiful. Cobalt reduction and eventual elimination is making progress. EVs are the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational.

lm28469 4y ago
It's the best of both world. No city pollution, 90% of usage is fully electric, small batteries, your "what if" problem disappear. > batteries are highly recyclable Yet only 5% of batteries are recycled world wide > Lithium is super plentiful. Cobalt reduction and eventual elimination is making progress I'd suggest you to look at the mining industry and come back to me with your sustainability talk. > EVs are the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Freon is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Leaded gas is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Leaded paint is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Asbestos is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Radium lipstick is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. The future is the end of personal vehicles, a fleet of state/city owned and shared small sized electric vehicles would be a vision of the future I can get behind. Three tonnes of steel and 600kg of battery to move our fat asses 30km a day isn't a future I believe in, it's a waste of space, resource and energy. Nothing in the auto industry makes sense right now, making them electric just displace the problem slightly further from us.
- imtringued 4y ago
  The future is actually something akin to the eRockit which is a Pedelec turned into a small motorcycle. It has a max speed of 90km/h. I would rather commute with that than a car.
- greenthrow 4y ago
  Hybrids combine all the downsides of an ICE car (way more maintenance, destroying the earth) with all the downsided of an EV (solving battery sustainability, requiring us to embrace renewable energy and move off coal and gas). Most Batteries not currently being recycled is a problem in the same way as most cars on the road still being ICE. Yeah it's an issue, but it's one which has obvious solutions. Your litany of non-sequitors doesn't warrant a response.
  - lm28469 4y ago
    > destroying the earth Again, research about mining, transport, by-product storage, efficiency, &c. When you need XXg of rare earth and each gram requires you to extract a tonne of earth, to filter it with nasty af chemicals and store it in leaky trailing dams. Solution to EV problems are always "you just need to do X", "we don't do it yet but I swear we'll do it later", "it's not technically feasible for now but we're working on it". It's either wishful thinking or complete delusion. The only thing EVs do is put the pollution far away from you, on a global scale it's not much better for the planet, we're just going to consume the next resource until we hit a wall and realise all over again that we fucked up once more. And on top of that it perpetuates the hell that modern cities became thanks to personal vehicles But sure it allows tech bros in Silicon Valley to drive $100k teslas with 600+ hp and pat themselves on the back about how much they're doing to save the planet.

lm28469 4y ago

It's the best of both world. No city pollution, 90% of usage is fully electric, small batteries, your "what if" problem disappear. > batteries are highly recyclable Yet only 5% of batteries are recycled world wide > Lithium is super plentiful. Cobalt reduction and eventual elimination is making progress I'd suggest you to look at the mining industry and come back to me with your sustainability talk. > EVs are the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Freon is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Leaded gas is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Leaded paint is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Asbestos is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. Radium lipstick is the future and it will be great. Let go of your fear, it is not rational. The future is the end of personal vehicles, a fleet of state/city owned and shared small sized electric vehicles would be a vision of the future I can get behind. Three tonnes of steel and 600kg of battery to move our fat asses 30km a day isn't a future I believe in, it's a waste of space, resource and energy. Nothing in the auto industry makes sense right now, making them electric just displace the problem slightly further from us.

imtringued 4y ago
The future is actually something akin to the eRockit which is a Pedelec turned into a small motorcycle. It has a max speed of 90km/h. I would rather commute with that than a car.
greenthrow 4y ago
Hybrids combine all the downsides of an ICE car (way more maintenance, destroying the earth) with all the downsided of an EV (solving battery sustainability, requiring us to embrace renewable energy and move off coal and gas). Most Batteries not currently being recycled is a problem in the same way as most cars on the road still being ICE. Yeah it's an issue, but it's one which has obvious solutions. Your litany of non-sequitors doesn't warrant a response.
- lm28469 4y ago
  > destroying the earth Again, research about mining, transport, by-product storage, efficiency, &c. When you need XXg of rare earth and each gram requires you to extract a tonne of earth, to filter it with nasty af chemicals and store it in leaky trailing dams. Solution to EV problems are always "you just need to do X", "we don't do it yet but I swear we'll do it later", "it's not technically feasible for now but we're working on it". It's either wishful thinking or complete delusion. The only thing EVs do is put the pollution far away from you, on a global scale it's not much better for the planet, we're just going to consume the next resource until we hit a wall and realise all over again that we fucked up once more. And on top of that it perpetuates the hell that modern cities became thanks to personal vehicles But sure it allows tech bros in Silicon Valley to drive $100k teslas with 600+ hp and pat themselves on the back about how much they're doing to save the planet.