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> The idea that someone would switch to the Windows (or linux) ecosystem because of some visual tweaks to MacOS settings is very amusing to me. That wasn't eve

by mgsk 4y ago

> The idea that someone would switch to the Windows (or linux) ecosystem because of some visual tweaks to MacOS settings is very amusing to me. That wasn't even the gripe. They have disliked the last few major revisions of macOS. I think that's a good enough reason to consider a switch.

FractalHQ 4y ago
Spending a week on Windows will help provide some perspective… it’s hard to remember just how bad things can get when you’re spoiled by MacOS for so long.
- wsc981 4y ago
  I am not too happy with the direction macOS is moving towards, though I do understand Apple’s motivations and agree it is still better than Windows. For reference: been a Mac user ever since I was like 10 years old or so, starting with System 6.0. I do feel some Linux or perhaps a BSD system with a GUI like WindowMaker might feel like an improvement at this point. It’s something I will probably try in the coming year.
  - blueberrychpstx 4y ago
    Just curious how you would describe in a couple sentences what that direction feels to you
    - wsc981 4y ago
      Apple's OS is becoming more and more secure and while I understand this makes sense for the average user, it brings many annoyances. Also from a developer perspective (notarisation, having to jump through hoops to install software from 'untrusted sources', etc...). This is my biggest annoyance with macOS at this point. I'd like to have a system that is 'less secure' in which I feel I have more control over my system. Also it seems Apple is moving apps included in macOS to be more in line with iOS, which is not really something I like to see. It will likely dumb down app functionality.
      - vkoskiv 4y ago
        I think you expressed my feelings as well quite accurately. Dumbing down + adding more (unfortunately somewhat necessary on a mainstream platform) annoyances and hoops. I used OS X exclusively from 2008 onward, and I switched fully to linux late last year. I managed to make the switch tolerable by learning and falling in love with tiling window managers and minimal desktop environments that are available on linux. I could never stand 'traditional' desktop environments on linux, they always felt so clunky. With Sway (or i3 on my desktop), the operating system just disappears out of sight. All I see is what I want. A little bar with information and system status, a browser window, a bloated text messaging program or two, and heaps of terminals. Really fast, too, unlike macOS.
- mulmen 4y ago
  If I switch to Framework I will run Linux on it.
- philistine 4y ago
  My work provides me with a Surface to do my thing. I get to experience both. With that birds-eye view, I can decide that none of my money gets spent on Windows. Xbox, sure. Windows, pfft.

by mgsk 4y ago

FractalHQ 4y ago

Spending a week on Windows will help provide some perspective… it’s hard to remember just how bad things can get when you’re spoiled by MacOS for so long.

wsc981 4y ago
I am not too happy with the direction macOS is moving towards, though I do understand Apple’s motivations and agree it is still better than Windows. For reference: been a Mac user ever since I was like 10 years old or so, starting with System 6.0. I do feel some Linux or perhaps a BSD system with a GUI like WindowMaker might feel like an improvement at this point. It’s something I will probably try in the coming year.
- blueberrychpstx 4y ago
  Just curious how you would describe in a couple sentences what that direction feels to you
  - wsc981 4y ago
    Apple's OS is becoming more and more secure and while I understand this makes sense for the average user, it brings many annoyances. Also from a developer perspective (notarisation, having to jump through hoops to install software from 'untrusted sources', etc...). This is my biggest annoyance with macOS at this point. I'd like to have a system that is 'less secure' in which I feel I have more control over my system. Also it seems Apple is moving apps included in macOS to be more in line with iOS, which is not really something I like to see. It will likely dumb down app functionality.
    - vkoskiv 4y ago
      I think you expressed my feelings as well quite accurately. Dumbing down + adding more (unfortunately somewhat necessary on a mainstream platform) annoyances and hoops. I used OS X exclusively from 2008 onward, and I switched fully to linux late last year. I managed to make the switch tolerable by learning and falling in love with tiling window managers and minimal desktop environments that are available on linux. I could never stand 'traditional' desktop environments on linux, they always felt so clunky. With Sway (or i3 on my desktop), the operating system just disappears out of sight. All I see is what I want. A little bar with information and system status, a browser window, a bloated text messaging program or two, and heaps of terminals. Really fast, too, unlike macOS.
mulmen 4y ago
If I switch to Framework I will run Linux on it.
philistine 4y ago
My work provides me with a Surface to do my thing. I get to experience both. With that birds-eye view, I can decide that none of my money gets spent on Windows. Xbox, sure. Windows, pfft.