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I'm not paying that much for an editor that runs counter to my muscle memory, just so I can use a different programming language. If a language requires some I

I'm not paying that much for an editor that runs counter to my muscle memory, just so I can use a different programming language. If a language requires some IDE to make it usable, then I put it in the same camp as Java: Hope the competition are using it.

KronisLV 4y ago
I'm tempted to ask what languages you're using and what has your best experience with them been like. Because as messy as Java is, refactoring codebases in it that have been kept alive for close to a decade is surprisingly not madness-inducing (most of the time), at least in some of the sane frameworks. Apart from, you know, legacy projects basically killing your career in the long term. I'm not sure what other language I'd feel comfortable with changing how some method works across 50 other places that call it and have the IDE do most of the heavy lifting. Yes, I have Stockholm syndrome, probably. Yes, I'd prefer to retire to planting potatoes in a farm, rather than work with NullPointerExceptions.
pjmlp 4y ago
No wonder FOSS languages are stuck in the pre-historic tooling.
- xigoi 4y ago
  If “pre-historic” means “doesn't take several minutes to start and require 8GB of RAM”, I guess that's a good thing.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    I wonder how Turbo Pascal IDE managed to fit into 640 KB....
    - xigoi 4y ago
      Because it wasn't based on bloatware liks Electron. And I guess the developers actually cared about performance because at that time they couldn't just assume that everyone has a powerful machine.
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        Electron !== IDE.
- the_gipsy 4y ago
  "IDE as tool for everything" is what's prehistoric, at this point.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Sure, some people enjoy being stuck with workflows born out of phosphor terminals.
    - xigoi 4y ago
      Do you have any other workflow that allows so much programmability and composability while being lightweight and cross-platform?
      - pjmlp 4y ago
        You mean the "cross platform" as long it is UNIX?
        the_gipsy 4y ago
        Enjoy duplicating your workflows anyway for CI. Or do you make a release by clicking the play button in your IDE?
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Someone apparently isn't aware that IDEs can consume build scripts as project definitions. I don't duplicate anything, my CI/CD pipelines consume MSBuild, Ant, Gradle, Maven, CMake, XCode, package.json, gulp, webpack files just as easy as my IDEs.
        the_gipsy 4y ago
        Have fun clicking around until it works
        4y ago
fomine3 4y ago
That's why I buy JetBrains all products pack. It supports many languages.

KronisLV 4y ago

I'm tempted to ask what languages you're using and what has your best experience with them been like. Because as messy as Java is, refactoring codebases in it that have been kept alive for close to a decade is surprisingly not madness-inducing (most of the time), at least in some of the sane frameworks. Apart from, you know, legacy projects basically killing your career in the long term. I'm not sure what other language I'd feel comfortable with changing how some method works across 50 other places that call it and have the IDE do most of the heavy lifting. Yes, I have Stockholm syndrome, probably. Yes, I'd prefer to retire to planting potatoes in a farm, rather than work with NullPointerExceptions.

pjmlp 4y ago

No wonder FOSS languages are stuck in the pre-historic tooling.

xigoi 4y ago
If “pre-historic” means “doesn't take several minutes to start and require 8GB of RAM”, I guess that's a good thing.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  I wonder how Turbo Pascal IDE managed to fit into 640 KB....
  - xigoi 4y ago
    Because it wasn't based on bloatware liks Electron. And I guess the developers actually cared about performance because at that time they couldn't just assume that everyone has a powerful machine.
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      Electron !== IDE.
the_gipsy 4y ago
"IDE as tool for everything" is what's prehistoric, at this point.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Sure, some people enjoy being stuck with workflows born out of phosphor terminals.
  - xigoi 4y ago
    Do you have any other workflow that allows so much programmability and composability while being lightweight and cross-platform?
    - pjmlp 4y ago
      You mean the "cross platform" as long it is UNIX?
      - the_gipsy 4y ago
        Enjoy duplicating your workflows anyway for CI. Or do you make a release by clicking the play button in your IDE?
        pjmlp 4y ago
        Someone apparently isn't aware that IDEs can consume build scripts as project definitions. I don't duplicate anything, my CI/CD pipelines consume MSBuild, Ant, Gradle, Maven, CMake, XCode, package.json, gulp, webpack files just as easy as my IDEs.
        the_gipsy 4y ago
        Have fun clicking around until it works
        4y ago

fomine3 4y ago

That's why I buy JetBrains all products pack. It supports many languages.