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> Gas stations can install non-free EV charging stations right now, and it will actually increase their non-gas business since EV charging takes longer, so the

> Gas stations can install non-free EV charging stations right now, and it will actually increase their non-gas business since EV charging takes longer, so the customer is incentivised to shop the convenience store to stretch their legs But those apartment dwellers probably won't do that if there's a nearby restaurant with free EV charging stations, which appear to be exactly what this bill is outlawing. To me, this bill seems to designed to make the plan you outlined more likely to actually work for gas station owners.

snotrockets 4y ago
They also won't do it if there's public transit, but that's already been defunded.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > They also won't do it if there's public transit, but that's already been defunded. What does that have to do with gas station owners and their families, and helping them transition as technology changes? Also, public transit is not really a very desirable total substitute for a private car except in the densest of cities, so I don't think a merely "funding" it would take many private cars out of people homes.
  - orwin 4y ago
    It's because you don't really know public transit. I'd rather take my three hour ride in a train (with free wifi and electricity) than drive for 5 hours on a mind-numbing highway. it cost me less too. I still subsidize cars and highways, don't get me wrong, but the energy efficiency of one of the most inefficient modern electric train is so much better than a car that it cost me less despite a third of my local taxes going into road and parking infrastructure.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > It's because you don't really know public transit. Come on. I know my living situation and that of others, and there's no conceivable public transit system that would cause me to stop owning a car. > I'd rather take my three hour ride in a train (with free wifi and electricity) than drive for 5 hours on a mind-numbing highway. And I might do that too if I had a commute like that, but even in that case I'd still keep a private car for other trips.
      - orwin 4y ago
        Ok, i get that. I'd rather rent or borrow a car when i need one (some weekends, for a road trip...). My point was that city density isn't really needed to go full public transit. I lived 5 years in a city with a density of 304 hab./km2 (twice that in summer), without a car. I used the bus when i did not felt like riding my bike, and the train for large distances. Now i'm in a city with 2.2k hab./km2, and yes, it is easier, but you don't need that much density to go full public transport.
  - vineyardmike 4y ago
    > Also, public transit is not really a very desirable total substitute for a private car except in the densest of cities, See point about defunding.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
FWIW, free EV charging stations are often incredibly slow, on the order of 7 kW. At that rate, it would take over 10 hours to completely recharge a Model 3. People with BEVs don't use free charging stations for their daily driving unless the charger is at work. They're typically not going to leave their car plugged in at the grocery store for 4+ hours.

snotrockets 4y ago

They also won't do it if there's public transit, but that's already been defunded.

tablespoon 4y ago
> They also won't do it if there's public transit, but that's already been defunded. What does that have to do with gas station owners and their families, and helping them transition as technology changes? Also, public transit is not really a very desirable total substitute for a private car except in the densest of cities, so I don't think a merely "funding" it would take many private cars out of people homes.
- orwin 4y ago
  It's because you don't really know public transit. I'd rather take my three hour ride in a train (with free wifi and electricity) than drive for 5 hours on a mind-numbing highway. it cost me less too. I still subsidize cars and highways, don't get me wrong, but the energy efficiency of one of the most inefficient modern electric train is so much better than a car that it cost me less despite a third of my local taxes going into road and parking infrastructure.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > It's because you don't really know public transit. Come on. I know my living situation and that of others, and there's no conceivable public transit system that would cause me to stop owning a car. > I'd rather take my three hour ride in a train (with free wifi and electricity) than drive for 5 hours on a mind-numbing highway. And I might do that too if I had a commute like that, but even in that case I'd still keep a private car for other trips.
    - orwin 4y ago
      Ok, i get that. I'd rather rent or borrow a car when i need one (some weekends, for a road trip...). My point was that city density isn't really needed to go full public transit. I lived 5 years in a city with a density of 304 hab./km2 (twice that in summer), without a car. I used the bus when i did not felt like riding my bike, and the train for large distances. Now i'm in a city with 2.2k hab./km2, and yes, it is easier, but you don't need that much density to go full public transport.
- vineyardmike 4y ago
  > Also, public transit is not really a very desirable total substitute for a private car except in the densest of cities, See point about defunding.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago

FWIW, free EV charging stations are often incredibly slow, on the order of 7 kW. At that rate, it would take over 10 hours to completely recharge a Model 3. People with BEVs don't use free charging stations for their daily driving unless the charger is at work. They're typically not going to leave their car plugged in at the grocery store for 4+ hours.