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That leads to the most obvious question: "Are your training manuals and materials as closely guarded of a secret?" If not, then your implementation of them,

That leads to the most obvious question: "Are your training manuals and materials as closely guarded of a secret?" If not, then your implementation of them, however compromised, is not a secret either.

kadoban 4y ago
I've seen some of them passed around. They're not secret as far as I can tell. They pretty obviously are just embarassed by their failure.
- WaxProlix 4y ago
  There's an outside chance it's even worse than what we know now - maybe they killed a kid or two, or did something otherwise more shameful than expected.
  - kadoban 4y ago
    Yeah, the _best_ attempt at devils advocate I could give them would be that it should be secret just how crappy they are at following their own training/guidance. That's basically complete bullshit though, that's no reason for secrecy.
  - Arrath 4y ago
    > maybe they killed a kid or two This is my sneaking suspicion.
  - jjulius 4y ago
    I mean, they kinda-sorta already did... >“When the cops came, the cop said: ‘Yell if you need help!’ And one of the persons in my class said ‘help.’ The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,” the boy said. “The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.” The police got a student killed, according to the survivor’s story. https://www.vox.com/2022/5/27/23143997/the-uvalde-police-keep-changing-their-story https://www.vox.com/2022/5/27/23143997/the-uvalde-police-kee...
    - squarefoot 4y ago
      "Other parents were pinned to the ground, pepper sprayed, or tasered, said Gomez, who said she managed to run into the school and save her child after convincing the officers to uncuff her." Seriously... WTF! If only they showed the same balls when dealing with the gunman.
nathantotten 4y ago
> Are your training manuals and materials as closely guarded of a secret? It seems not: https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/default/files/CourseCMU/Active%20Shooter%20-%20SBLE%202195%20course%20Final%201-30-20.docx https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/default/files/CourseCMU/Ac...
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panarky 4y ago
Eventually they will be ordered to release the video, at which point we will learn that much of it is missing, from multiple officers and from the school's cameras simultaneously. We will be expected to believe that officers weren't wearing cameras, or cameras were turned off, or a computer error lost the footage.
dylan604 4y ago
It's actually more along the lines of counter-intelligence. You have printed manuals and materials that get leaked so the attackers study those tactics. Then, during the attack, there is total confusion when the police do not react as thought by those training materials. The upper hand now resides with the police /s

kadoban 4y ago

I've seen some of them passed around. They're not secret as far as I can tell. They pretty obviously are just embarassed by their failure.

WaxProlix 4y ago
There's an outside chance it's even worse than what we know now - maybe they killed a kid or two, or did something otherwise more shameful than expected.
- kadoban 4y ago
  Yeah, the _best_ attempt at devils advocate I could give them would be that it should be secret just how crappy they are at following their own training/guidance. That's basically complete bullshit though, that's no reason for secrecy.
- Arrath 4y ago
  > maybe they killed a kid or two This is my sneaking suspicion.
- jjulius 4y ago
  I mean, they kinda-sorta already did... >“When the cops came, the cop said: ‘Yell if you need help!’ And one of the persons in my class said ‘help.’ The guy overheard and he came in and shot her,” the boy said. “The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.” The police got a student killed, according to the survivor’s story. https://www.vox.com/2022/5/27/23143997/the-uvalde-police-keep-changing-their-story https://www.vox.com/2022/5/27/23143997/the-uvalde-police-kee...
  - squarefoot 4y ago
    "Other parents were pinned to the ground, pepper sprayed, or tasered, said Gomez, who said she managed to run into the school and save her child after convincing the officers to uncuff her." Seriously... WTF! If only they showed the same balls when dealing with the gunman.

nathantotten 4y ago

> Are your training manuals and materials as closely guarded of a secret? It seems not: https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/default/files/CourseCMU/Active%20Shooter%20-%20SBLE%202195%20course%20Final%201-30-20.docx https://www.tcole.texas.gov/sites/default/files/CourseCMU/Ac...

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panarky 4y ago

Eventually they will be ordered to release the video, at which point we will learn that much of it is missing, from multiple officers and from the school's cameras simultaneously. We will be expected to believe that officers weren't wearing cameras, or cameras were turned off, or a computer error lost the footage.

dylan604 4y ago

It's actually more along the lines of counter-intelligence. You have printed manuals and materials that get leaked so the attackers study those tactics. Then, during the attack, there is total confusion when the police do not react as thought by those training materials. The upper hand now resides with the police /s