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Environment aside, this is not realistic with just aim to ban combustion engines. You need to fund groundbreaking infrastructural changes at national level. T

Environment aside, this is not realistic with just aim to ban combustion engines. You need to fund groundbreaking infrastructural changes at national level. The last mile of logistics channels will not work with mythical electric trucks. Those does not exist because they make no sense. So how are we going to flow all those goods to markets?

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
Even though the headline says "vehicles", the ban is only for cars and vans. As far as I know, it doesn't affect trucks (or buses, tractors, etc.)
phtrivier 4y ago
Interestingly, the "large-haul trucks" seem to be excluded from the deal (it is discussed separately.) [1] I would say that the _very last mile_ of delivery (especially inside city centers) is properly covered by EVs (French Postal Service is claiming to have "the largest fleet of EVs in the world" [2].) Those vehicles have predictable routes, reasonnable usage hours, and a relatively small radius of travel; a battery of 100km or range, recharged at night, seems like a good fit. It's of course _much_ trickier for the kind of trucks that cross over Europe to ship veggies. I would not be surprised if those get to use fossil fuels a bit longer (maybe with higher efficiency requirements, higher proportion of plant-based fuels, incentives to go for H2 even if it does not make _complete_ environement sense, etc...) [1] https://www.liberation.fr/economie/transports/interdiction-du-moteur-thermique-en-2035-quid-des-motos-et-des-camions-20220610_MBBBJCFC5NH3JJY2LCVPISYU2E/#:~:text=Union%20europ%C3%A9enne-,Interdiction%20du%20moteur%20thermique%20en%202035,des%20motos%20et%20des%20camions%3F&text=Le%20texte%20vot%C3%A9%20ce%20mercredi,dans%20dans%20un%20second%20temps https://www.liberation.fr/economie/transports/interdiction-d.... [2] https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2019/04/08/la-poste-numero-un-mondial-des-flottes-branchees_5447176_3234.html https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2019/04/08/la-poste-...
crote 4y ago
The literal last mile is the easiest part, actually. Electric trucks with a range of 300km are already widely available, and that's more than enough for local use. Besides, in Europe there are pretty stringent rules about driving times already. You need to take a 45-minute break every 4.5 hours, which at 90 kmh is every 400 km. You can split that into a 15-minute break and a 30-minute one, requiring an even shorter range. Meanwhile, Germany is trialing overhead wires on highways, which would allow for an even more reduced range. The way I see it, the truck isn't the problem: building the charging infrastructure is.
- me_me_me 4y ago
  > Electric trucks with a range of 300km I have to do it, but citation is needed. A quick googling and all i see is announcements of future truck. Tesla truck that are more cost efficient than trains available as early as 2018 are almost ready for 'production. > The way I see it, the truck isn't the problem: building the charging infrastructure is. Hmmmm, I wonder if you could rephrase that... 'You need to fund groundbreaking infrastructural changes at national level.'
  - revertmean 4y ago
    > I have to do it, but citation is needed Volvo have been selling electric trucks for over 2 years now: https://www.volvotrucks.co.uk/en-gb/trucks/alternative-fuels/electric-trucks.html https://www.volvotrucks.co.uk/en-gb/trucks/alternative-fuels...

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago

Even though the headline says "vehicles", the ban is only for cars and vans. As far as I know, it doesn't affect trucks (or buses, tractors, etc.)

phtrivier 4y ago

Interestingly, the "large-haul trucks" seem to be excluded from the deal (it is discussed separately.) [1] I would say that the _very last mile_ of delivery (especially inside city centers) is properly covered by EVs (French Postal Service is claiming to have "the largest fleet of EVs in the world" [2].) Those vehicles have predictable routes, reasonnable usage hours, and a relatively small radius of travel; a battery of 100km or range, recharged at night, seems like a good fit. It's of course _much_ trickier for the kind of trucks that cross over Europe to ship veggies. I would not be surprised if those get to use fossil fuels a bit longer (maybe with higher efficiency requirements, higher proportion of plant-based fuels, incentives to go for H2 even if it does not make _complete_ environement sense, etc...) [1] https://www.liberation.fr/economie/transports/interdiction-du-moteur-thermique-en-2035-quid-des-motos-et-des-camions-20220610_MBBBJCFC5NH3JJY2LCVPISYU2E/#:~:text=Union%20europ%C3%A9enne-,Interdiction%20du%20moteur%20thermique%20en%202035,des%20motos%20et%20des%20camions%3F&text=Le%20texte%20vot%C3%A9%20ce%20mercredi,dans%20dans%20un%20second%20temps https://www.liberation.fr/economie/transports/interdiction-d.... [2] https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2019/04/08/la-poste-numero-un-mondial-des-flottes-branchees_5447176_3234.html https://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2019/04/08/la-poste-...

crote 4y ago

The literal last mile is the easiest part, actually. Electric trucks with a range of 300km are already widely available, and that's more than enough for local use. Besides, in Europe there are pretty stringent rules about driving times already. You need to take a 45-minute break every 4.5 hours, which at 90 kmh is every 400 km. You can split that into a 15-minute break and a 30-minute one, requiring an even shorter range. Meanwhile, Germany is trialing overhead wires on highways, which would allow for an even more reduced range. The way I see it, the truck isn't the problem: building the charging infrastructure is.

me_me_me 4y ago
> Electric trucks with a range of 300km I have to do it, but citation is needed. A quick googling and all i see is announcements of future truck. Tesla truck that are more cost efficient than trains available as early as 2018 are almost ready for 'production. > The way I see it, the truck isn't the problem: building the charging infrastructure is. Hmmmm, I wonder if you could rephrase that... 'You need to fund groundbreaking infrastructural changes at national level.'
- revertmean 4y ago
  > I have to do it, but citation is needed Volvo have been selling electric trucks for over 2 years now: https://www.volvotrucks.co.uk/en-gb/trucks/alternative-fuels/electric-trucks.html https://www.volvotrucks.co.uk/en-gb/trucks/alternative-fuels...