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HN tends to read deprecation notices (in this case, for a 17 year old frontend) and immediately bring up every marketing name for anything and everything involv

HN tends to read deprecation notices (in this case, for a 17 year old frontend) and immediately bring up every marketing name for anything and everything involving text communication Google has ever made. For the record: - v1 - "Gchat" - simple chat added to Gmail - v2 - "Google Talk" - 2005 - general chat service created out of "Gchat" enabling people to use it outside Gmail - v3 - "Google Hangouts" - 2013 - integrate video chat from G+ into Talk - v4 - "Google Meet/Chat" - 2017 - split Hangouts into video (Meet) and messaging (Chat)

mpol 4y ago
If it is all different frontends to the same backend, they very much failed at marketing. For an advertising company, creating this much chaos in their branding and communication is very confusing and somewhat laughable.
- q-big 4y ago
  > For an advertising company Google is not an advertising company, but a provider of space for advertising.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Distinction without a difference Its not like they assemble billboards
    - joshuamorton 4y ago
      Idk that really feels like what adsense and such are.
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        Do people that make billboards create complex algorythms to evaluate their efficiency and charge you per each glance the billboard get?
        al_borland 4y ago
        I'm sure a billboard in Times Square is much more expensive than one in rural Montana. They don't need a complex algorithm, but they are going to charge by the impressions/demand in that sense. More than 80% of Alphabet's revenue comes from their ad business[0]. It used to be up around 97%[1]. Yes, they have a bunch of complex algorithms and way to track, but it's all in the name of selling those ads. If they can target the ads, they can charge more. If they can give exact metrics on the impact of the ads, they can charge more. They bought YouTube to gather data and sell ads. They released Android to gather data to sell ads. They released Chrome to gather data and sell ads. They bought Nest and released routers to gather data and sell ads. Everything they do is being done to further prop up their ad business. Google is the modern billboard company. Without the ad business they wouldn't exist, at least not to the extent they do today. How they sell ads is irrelevant, they are still an advertising company first. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-advertising-business-breakdown-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-a... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/25/advertising-google-adwords https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/25/advertising-go...
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al_borland 4y ago
No one should need to be a Google historian to know where to go to send a message.
- refulgentis 4y ago
  You don't. This is a 'not even wrong' argument in reality, though a definite problem theoretically. In that timeline I laid out, wherever your message was, even going back to 2005 unnamed Gmail feature, it's still there.
pjerem 4y ago
Marketing names are what the users use. Users don’t say « let’s get in touch via Google Chat Platform Protocol v4". They use the marketing name without knowing what is behind. And to be fair, as of today, I’m not even sure non tech people even know how the current mainstream Google chat is named. The only time I used Google chat (maybe it was hangouts) was to reach my coworkers when slack was down.
kbelder 4y ago
What's Google Duo?
- Macha 4y ago
  Allo and Due are two entirely seperate apps that undermines the point the author is trying to make. Not to mention that Meet existed before it was called Meet, and was confusingly also called Hangouts at that point but had no interop with consumer Hangouts.

mpol 4y ago

If it is all different frontends to the same backend, they very much failed at marketing. For an advertising company, creating this much chaos in their branding and communication is very confusing and somewhat laughable.

q-big 4y ago
> For an advertising company Google is not an advertising company, but a provider of space for advertising.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Distinction without a difference Its not like they assemble billboards
  - joshuamorton 4y ago
    Idk that really feels like what adsense and such are.
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      Do people that make billboards create complex algorythms to evaluate their efficiency and charge you per each glance the billboard get?
      - al_borland 4y ago
        I'm sure a billboard in Times Square is much more expensive than one in rural Montana. They don't need a complex algorithm, but they are going to charge by the impressions/demand in that sense. More than 80% of Alphabet's revenue comes from their ad business[0]. It used to be up around 97%[1]. Yes, they have a bunch of complex algorithms and way to track, but it's all in the name of selling those ads. If they can target the ads, they can charge more. If they can give exact metrics on the impact of the ads, they can charge more. They bought YouTube to gather data and sell ads. They released Android to gather data to sell ads. They released Chrome to gather data and sell ads. They bought Nest and released routers to gather data and sell ads. Everything they do is being done to further prop up their ad business. Google is the modern billboard company. Without the ad business they wouldn't exist, at least not to the extent they do today. How they sell ads is irrelevant, they are still an advertising company first. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-advertising-business-breakdown-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/18/how-does-google-make-money-a... [1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/25/advertising-google-adwords https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/oct/25/advertising-go...

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al_borland 4y ago

No one should need to be a Google historian to know where to go to send a message.

refulgentis 4y ago
You don't. This is a 'not even wrong' argument in reality, though a definite problem theoretically. In that timeline I laid out, wherever your message was, even going back to 2005 unnamed Gmail feature, it's still there.

pjerem 4y ago

Marketing names are what the users use. Users don’t say « let’s get in touch via Google Chat Platform Protocol v4". They use the marketing name without knowing what is behind. And to be fair, as of today, I’m not even sure non tech people even know how the current mainstream Google chat is named. The only time I used Google chat (maybe it was hangouts) was to reach my coworkers when slack was down.

kbelder 4y ago

What's Google Duo?

Macha 4y ago
Allo and Due are two entirely seperate apps that undermines the point the author is trying to make. Not to mention that Meet existed before it was called Meet, and was confusingly also called Hangouts at that point but had no interop with consumer Hangouts.