> Except the hardware and ecosystem of those suck in comparison to The Big 2 (iPhone and Android). Yes, and the irony is that Apple can afford to develop impre

> Except the hardware and ecosystem of those suck in comparison to The Big 2 (iPhone and Android). Yes, and the irony is that Apple can afford to develop impressive hardware thanks to their "vertically integrated" offering. People like it and spend a lot of money to have it. Why don't FOSS phones have the budget to create this kind of experience then? Maybe there are ways for this to be improved, or perhaps we shouldn't try to decouple a phone from the ecosystem it was created for. A lot of money and energy is now being pointed at trying to make Apple and Google loosen their grip on hardware. At the same time (in my view), this would not address the root cause, which is that there are no effective means for economic advantage generated by foss software on proprietary hardware to find its way back to the community.