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To me it seems that Teslas goal was to get to ”full self driving” by now. If Musks moonshot had been successfull, we would not be having this discussion now.

To me it seems that Teslas goal was to get to ”full self driving” by now. If Musks moonshot had been successfull, we would not be having this discussion now. But it was not, and now Tesla is in trouble because they can’t deliver what people think they were promised.

tsimionescu 4y ago
> they can’t deliver what people think they were promised. [emphasis mine] Tesla isn't delivering what people not only were promised, but were actually sold for real money. Musk very explicitly claimed in consumer shows that FSD would allow your Tesla not just to safely drive you around, but allow you to use it as a robotaxi, making money for you while you're at your own job.
- chihuahua 4y ago
  What a great idea. When I buy a $70,000 car, I would like to use it as a robotaxi so that random people can use it as a bathroom or a diaper changing station, and test the sharpness of their EDC knives on the seats. Perhaps Elon can add some AI feature that detects vandalism and responds with a bleating noise. I would find this very rewarding and lucrative.
  - tsimionescu 4y ago
    Well, according to his pitch [0], in 3 years it will be financially irresponsible to buy something that doesn't make its value back like this. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TLsdpYsow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TLsdpYsow
buran77 4y ago
> people think they were promised When so many people "think" they were promised something then the more likely explanation is that the promises were misleading. I think this was Tesla's strategy and it was a winning one too. Tesla got a lot of cash from that promise, helping it be the company it is now. But the strategy is also a victim of its own success because there comes a point to deliver on the promise and you can only delay that by doubling up on the promise for so long. Then so many people start asking questions at the same time it's like a bank run. The strategy goes bankrupt unless it can actually deliver.
Dylan16807 4y ago
He funded another team to work on the same problem many teams had been working on for a long time, and he wasn't bringing anything significantly new to the mix. Maybe that qualifies as a moonshot but it's not what I normally think of for the positive connotations of the word. Tesla should have had a better handle on timescale.

tsimionescu 4y ago

> they can’t deliver what people think they were promised. [emphasis mine] Tesla isn't delivering what people not only were promised, but were actually sold for real money. Musk very explicitly claimed in consumer shows that FSD would allow your Tesla not just to safely drive you around, but allow you to use it as a robotaxi, making money for you while you're at your own job.

chihuahua 4y ago
What a great idea. When I buy a $70,000 car, I would like to use it as a robotaxi so that random people can use it as a bathroom or a diaper changing station, and test the sharpness of their EDC knives on the seats. Perhaps Elon can add some AI feature that detects vandalism and responds with a bleating noise. I would find this very rewarding and lucrative.
- tsimionescu 4y ago
  Well, according to his pitch [0], in 3 years it will be financially irresponsible to buy something that doesn't make its value back like this. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TLsdpYsow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8TLsdpYsow

buran77 4y ago

> people think they were promised When so many people "think" they were promised something then the more likely explanation is that the promises were misleading. I think this was Tesla's strategy and it was a winning one too. Tesla got a lot of cash from that promise, helping it be the company it is now. But the strategy is also a victim of its own success because there comes a point to deliver on the promise and you can only delay that by doubling up on the promise for so long. Then so many people start asking questions at the same time it's like a bank run. The strategy goes bankrupt unless it can actually deliver.

Dylan16807 4y ago

He funded another team to work on the same problem many teams had been working on for a long time, and he wasn't bringing anything significantly new to the mix. Maybe that qualifies as a moonshot but it's not what I normally think of for the positive connotations of the word. Tesla should have had a better handle on timescale.