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Because they believe in collectivism. If someone is peeing on the street, they think oh how this makes my country look. In SF someone peeing in the street think

Because they believe in collectivism. If someone is peeing on the street, they think oh how this makes my country look. In SF someone peeing in the street thinks aaah so much relief. It's like how killer whales share their sense of self with others in the pod.

thegrimmest 4y ago
I don't think you need collectivism per se, all you need is functioning police. If you piss on the floor in a cafe in Japan, you'll be arrested, charged, found guilty, and sent to prison. This process is swift, effective and severe, and doesn't include any public outcry about racism or marginalization. Japanese prisons are inhumane by American standards, but cheap and very effective. They don't allow prisoners to interact or form a prison culture, so they don't function as criminal training centers. Consequently, crime rates in Japan are among the lowest in the world, despite declining economic conditions and dense populations.
- vimy 4y ago
  Everyone is isolated in prison? You can’t talk to other prisoners?
  - thegrimmest 4y ago
    Yes. > When and how to speak. Strict silence is observed the majority of the time. During leisure times, talking should be done in a low voice so as not to disturb others. Utmost respect must be used when addressing guards or punishments will follow. 1. https://gaijinass.com/2017/03/30/brutal-realities-of-prison-in-japan/ https://gaijinass.com/2017/03/30/brutal-realities-of-prison-...
- kube-system 4y ago
  The police can’t be everywhere at every time. Policing can only be effective when crime is culturally uncommon and the incidents relatively mild. If crime is culturally excusable, it often exceeds what police can handle. Japan isn’t the only country with a brutal criminal justice system. Many of the other examples have high crime.
- bozhark 4y ago
  Japan police are extremely corrupt. Extremely. There is a reason they have the highest conviction rate in the world. It’s not justice. It’s the social expectation that the law officers are correct, no matter what. If you are charged, you are guilty, as you cannot bring shame to the police. No need to pretend they are just or proper.
  - thegrimmest 4y ago
    I never said that it wasn't corrupt, only asserted that it was very effective. Just like Israeli airport security - clearly ethnically discriminatory, but also very effective.
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Polices aren't extremely corrupt but just sometimes incompetent. Prosecutors are corrupt.
shrimp_emoji 4y ago
>Because they believe in collectivism. Not just that, I think. What's true of Japan is also true of parts of Western Europe. >If someone is peeing on the street, they think oh how this makes my country look. In SF someone peeing in the street thinks aaah so much relief. In France, public urination is viewed as an unofficial human right[0], but I don't think you'd have SF's problems in Paris. It's just more "civilized" societies (with better education, law enforcement, social safety nets, regional investment, etc.). The U.S. is a step towards Pandora from Borderlands (in scale, material social investment, and cultural ethos). 0: https://www.npr.org/2018/09/11/646567224/paris-tries-to-control-rampant-public-urination-with-sidewalk-urinals https://www.npr.org/2018/09/11/646567224/paris-tries-to-cont...
- jwilk 4y ago
  Text-only version: https://text.npr.org/646567224 https://text.npr.org/646567224
usrn 4y ago
Collectivism requires some amount of nationalism. When everyone in charge treats your country like it's just an economic zone you're not going to have that.

thegrimmest 4y ago

I don't think you need collectivism per se, all you need is functioning police. If you piss on the floor in a cafe in Japan, you'll be arrested, charged, found guilty, and sent to prison. This process is swift, effective and severe, and doesn't include any public outcry about racism or marginalization. Japanese prisons are inhumane by American standards, but cheap and very effective. They don't allow prisoners to interact or form a prison culture, so they don't function as criminal training centers. Consequently, crime rates in Japan are among the lowest in the world, despite declining economic conditions and dense populations.

vimy 4y ago
Everyone is isolated in prison? You can’t talk to other prisoners?
- thegrimmest 4y ago
  Yes. > When and how to speak. Strict silence is observed the majority of the time. During leisure times, talking should be done in a low voice so as not to disturb others. Utmost respect must be used when addressing guards or punishments will follow. 1. https://gaijinass.com/2017/03/30/brutal-realities-of-prison-in-japan/ https://gaijinass.com/2017/03/30/brutal-realities-of-prison-...
kube-system 4y ago
The police can’t be everywhere at every time. Policing can only be effective when crime is culturally uncommon and the incidents relatively mild. If crime is culturally excusable, it often exceeds what police can handle. Japan isn’t the only country with a brutal criminal justice system. Many of the other examples have high crime.
bozhark 4y ago
Japan police are extremely corrupt. Extremely. There is a reason they have the highest conviction rate in the world. It’s not justice. It’s the social expectation that the law officers are correct, no matter what. If you are charged, you are guilty, as you cannot bring shame to the police. No need to pretend they are just or proper.
- thegrimmest 4y ago
  I never said that it wasn't corrupt, only asserted that it was very effective. Just like Israeli airport security - clearly ethnically discriminatory, but also very effective.
- fomine3 4y ago
  Polices aren't extremely corrupt but just sometimes incompetent. Prosecutors are corrupt.

shrimp_emoji 4y ago

>Because they believe in collectivism. Not just that, I think. What's true of Japan is also true of parts of Western Europe. >If someone is peeing on the street, they think oh how this makes my country look. In SF someone peeing in the street thinks aaah so much relief. In France, public urination is viewed as an unofficial human right[0], but I don't think you'd have SF's problems in Paris. It's just more "civilized" societies (with better education, law enforcement, social safety nets, regional investment, etc.). The U.S. is a step towards Pandora from Borderlands (in scale, material social investment, and cultural ethos). 0: https://www.npr.org/2018/09/11/646567224/paris-tries-to-control-rampant-public-urination-with-sidewalk-urinals https://www.npr.org/2018/09/11/646567224/paris-tries-to-cont...

jwilk 4y ago
Text-only version: https://text.npr.org/646567224 https://text.npr.org/646567224

usrn 4y ago

Collectivism requires some amount of nationalism. When everyone in charge treats your country like it's just an economic zone you're not going to have that.